The Armour Archive

A helm raised from one peice requires a lot of work. 650 dollars is well within the range of what I would pay for such a helm to protect my noggin. Since this is not a fighting helm, but a re-enacting helm, I would not pay 650 for it. However, I am certain that there are people out there who would. I spoke to someone recently at fighter practive of turning down a job that paid 170K. There are people in our hobby for whom 650 dollars is a day's pay. Those are the sort of people who are likely to buy a piece of art such as what Jiri has made, and I am glad that there is a market for such beautiful things, even if I can not buy them myself.

Tally

I have been sitting here and reading this thread now.. Since it started, I have decided to for the most part not say something but I think I can now that I have thought more on it. I personally would buy this helm on the spot if it fit what I was going for in persona... You can sit here and argue performance all day long but that isn't what this helm is for. This helm is meant to make the wearer look historically accurate... And any one that buys that knows this... Go look at any good art piece no matter what it is, that artist is getting paid for its look not for its performance. You can not compare anything like this to the performance of a car . This helm is a master piece and just to help Jiri out I may drop the cash to prove a point here. Tally is right there are alot of people in the society that don't worry about money and would by this just for the look, and I for one am one of them. Jiri, I will private message you and discuss the possibility of purchasing this helm from you.

I'm not here to argue price. Jiri does wonderful work and if it's selling, then his prices are just fine.

What I was wondering... isn't this type of helm more properly a spangenhelm? I could be thinking of the wrong thing though.

Otto wrote:I'm not here to argue price. Jiri does wonderful work and if it's selling, then his prices are just fine.

What I was wondering... isn't this type of helm more properly a spangenhelm? I could be thinking of the wrong thing though.

A spangenhelm is of spangen construction, this helm is not.

Nice work as always Jiri

By my memory, Otto, similar helms were made both ways. The particular one Jiri has recreated was not a spangen in it's creation.

It's one of those things where you could swear you have seen dozens of conical spangens in this very shape before.. but then i go looking, and cannot find a historical example. The Ostrogoth is close, but not REALLY close, as it is much more decorative. You can find spangen builds of this helm, measure, line, and everything else, just as a spang. But I can't find one extant piece.

Of course, I may just be imagining seeing it before, because I have seen so many replica helms that way.

Oh, I was thinking it was a 1066 norman type thing... and it seems like the tapestries and such all depict it as a spangenhelm.

No worries, nice helm either way.

Nice work Jiri. I love the lines and overall shape. Very well done. Have you done any spangens with occulars?

Hello Guys,

thank you for the interesting ideas. Yes, I think the "close observation" on the piece is the biggest value I can offer. I have some hand forged tools old 200 and more years and just checking all the tiny irregularities and straight idea of the producer written into the piece is what I love.
If we talk practically, distribution of the thickness on the well done one piece hat is more effective than on the two halves welded together, but this is really a tiny bit in comparation to above mentioned.
A friend of mine, japaneese sword producer told me that often he is asked the same questions. Maybe that japaneese style swords are even more clear example of things. In "ten feet rule" you can easily buy sword with etched hamon looking like real for 100 USD or even less, very strongly constructed sword by coldsteel for example will perform well in cutting and is for 600 or so , but people buy from my friend swords for 2000+ but also for 5000+ The work invested into making them talks to buyers although it just may be visible in very close observation.

best

Jiri

BUMP

Enough talk!

Some smart, appreciative person should buy this lovely helm.