Why??

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:14 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1076357569

So I found this on ebay and after seeing it...the first thing I thought was....

this is not to bad for a starter kit...but why do people insist on putting articulations on any helmet and call it a sallet???

That just bugs me....

Am I just annoyingly picky???

Rev. George · Post by **Rev. George** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:24 pm

Mainly because so many types of helmets are called sallets. German sallets, German export sallets, lobstertail sallets, black sallets, bellows sallets, ETC. If I'm not mistaken, the type of sallet A-B is going for is a lobstertail sallet. of course, not starting with a spun dome would go a long ways...

-+G

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:51 pm

Nope not being picky

That looks like the stuff that Chivalry Sports sells now.

That is not a sallet, nor is that armour gothic.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:07 pm

It is a sallet, just as Saddam Hussein is a military strategist.

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:15 am

This is Ashcraft Baker stuff. This must be a reseller just like chivalry sports. If you buy from A-B directly it's even cheaper. I'd go with someone on the AA though, from what I have heard about his stuff.

Sebastian

"That is not a sallet"

Draconis · Post by **Draconis** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:17 am

It is cheaper if you go through AB I learned this by purchasing a helm from him and was in full seriousness going to spend another $420 on legs, gorget, clamshells, hilt and guard. When someone who knew better told me it wasn't his stuff, that it was AB. Which had everything for $110 less (not including shipping)

Chris

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sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:37 am

woah there guys....

I am not thinking about buying it....
I have a nice kit already...thanks

helmet by Alan Bauldtree thank you...

I just thought it was a decent starter kit...I was bitching about the helmet being called a Sallet... that is all

Rev. George · Post by **Rev. George** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:05 am

as an aside, his stainless prices seem to be a little worse that AB charges for mild, at least according to his website.

-+G

SyrRhys · Post by **SyrRhys** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:23 am

Actually, my first thought on looking at this was to ask why the maker never even bothere opening a book before producing this.

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Thaddeus · Post by **Thaddeus** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:01 pm

But Sarnac you could use it as your stealth armour, you know for when you are slumming it with us ground pounders.

Vincent_c=={=====- · Post by **Vincent_c=={=====-** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:24 pm

You couldn't pay me to wear that.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:08 pm

I'm surprised you only boggled at the helm.

"Churburg Breastplate"??!

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Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:25 am

Books -- a hard truth

most who've seen them haven't opened them
most who've opened them haven't read them
most who've read them didn't understand them

Myself, I've been guilty of both 2 and 3

But I'm getting better!

Draconis · Post by **Draconis** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:11 pm

Well, I'm uneducated as far as what most armours fit with what names, I know a few, but have only been interested in learning such things for a few monthes now. I can say however that AB (who actualy made most of that armour) Makes a decent Helm, I purchased a Spangenhelm with a grill from The same guy whos advertising this stuff on e-bay. Its made by Ashcroft/Baker though. Its a nice helm for the $115 I paid for it, yeah, its a spun top and will ring like a bell when its hit, but It will do for me till I have the money to purchase my Visored Loberster Tailed Sallet with a Bevor (Hope my research is correct, and I'm not saying I want some bizzar crustacion found in the Baltic during the winter equinox)

Chris

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Shamey · Post by **Shamey** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:16 pm

But wouldn't someone in that kit look at least a little better than in exposed blue plastic?

Crystoll · Post by **Crystoll** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:10 am

Being a relative newbie to the SCA and armour(armor? Which is the correct term?

)I will agree that irregardless of the authenticity of the equipment shown or even the naming, it's still better than the blue kydex look..
(This coming from a guy who is still wearing black kydex legs, but under a pair of fighting pants.. )
Kydex is great to get someone out on the field quickly and cheaply, this would be some good transitional(as in to go from kydex to this to more period) armor before spending the "big" bucks to get the higher quality armor

Crystoll Mackintosh

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:33 am

If you read what I said, I said it was a decent starter kit...however that helmet is a spuntop basic helmet, with articulations attached and called a Sallet...

that is not a Sallet, nor is it a Spangenhelm...

the rest of the kit is decent, but call the helm what it is... a basic, spuntop helm.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:17 am

But Sarnac, it is NOT a "basic" spuntop helm. It's a spuntop helm with an articulated tail.

Crystol...what the heck do you know anyway, lefty mutant?

Crystoll · Post by **Crystoll** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:32 pm

Ohhhh.. A wise guy huh?
I see Morgan wants some more lefty love

Shame too.. he won't stay still long enough for me to hit him..
Isn't that taking advantage of your opponent?

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Crystoll Mackintosh

Krag · Post by **Krag** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:10 pm

From 10 feet, the sun behind it, you squinting a little and a beer or two...it would pass as a sallet

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InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:54 pm

posted by Crystoll:

"Kydex is great to get someone out on the field quickly and cheaply, this would be some good transitional(as in to go from kydex to this to more period)"

Actually no. I my opinion going from hidden Kydex to visible badly designed metal armour is a step back. With hidden kydex you can make descent fighting garb and look good on the field. With visible metal armour that was designed and executed badly is a step backward if you are trying for a "period" harness.

My advise would be to stay with the Hidden kydex and put the money for this kit toward a more "period" harness.

$790 is A LOT to spend on a so so looking rig. You could spend that much at the Armour Store and get better looking stuff.

Insane Irish

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 4:38 pm

Irish...he said "more period." Why did you read that as a transition from kydex to badly designed metal? I'm sure by "more period" he MEANT well designed good armour.

Draconis · Post by **Draconis** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 4:59 pm

Lets take this as it is. Ashcroft baker has some good stuff, not all of it looks good, but you can pick and choose what you wan't. I will soon be purchasing some more of my kit from them. The Helm I got is not the prettiest, its not the best, but Damnit, I wan't to get out on the heavies field, and its going to get me there, and keep me in survivable shape, its not going to crack, or anything like that, now I realize it isn't what its called (or maybe it is, I don't know exactly what a spangen helm is supposed to look like yet) but its not outlandish, its not some futeristc looking monstrosity. Its a basic servicable helm. Again it may not be period per se but it is going to keep me going till I can afford my Kit the way I wan't it.

Chris

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InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:21 pm

Morgan.....

Quite simply, Crystoll said that this rig would be good for a "transition" from hidden Kydex to a more period rig. I simple disagree. Read my above post. I say stay with the hidden kydex and save the $790 and put that money toward a more "period" harness.

I understood that he meant "more Period" was a final step toward a period rig. But I would not say spend $790 dollars on a poorly designed rig and then save more money for a better one.

Crystoll · Post by **Crystoll** » Fri Mar 01, 2002 9:56 am

I wouldn't buy this set first of all..
No offense, but I am just not a gothic style armor fan myself..
All those creases ect..
Irish has what I meant correctly, but I was implying more as a piece meal approach.
As in, gett rid of kydex legs and replace them with 5 piece knees..
Change one piece elbows connected to a leather vambrace to 5 piece elbows to a tooled leather vambrace..
I prefer to work in steps

I know I would spend the exact same amount of money but I somehow feel better about only spending a little at a time

Irish, when you said the armour store, are you refering to www.armourstore.com ?
If so, here's what $790 could get you from there..
NOTE: All prices are for the stainless items
A "True" Sallet: $450
Breast and Back: $525
Oops.. over $790 already

I know AB isn't the most period stuff in the world, but I'd rather have more brothers and sisters in arms on the field of honor with me, than having just a few who could afford the more period armor.
/grins

Crystoll Mackintosh

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Fri Mar 01, 2002 10:32 am

Irish: My appologies. *I* misread what Crystol said. I agree with you. This shit is NOT a good transition from kydex. I'd rather see covered kydex for the GOOD no-armour look than this stuff uncovered anyday.

Crystol: I agree with your sentiment about getting people out to play. But the reality is, if you buy a NICE helm for most of that 790, the rest can be spent getting somone one the field looking WAY better than spending the 790 on that stuff. It's been my experience that few people have $800 to spend on armour. They either have WAY less than that, or they have way MORE than that.

Ned Chaney · Post by **Ned Chaney** » Fri Mar 01, 2002 12:26 pm

IMHO the price is a bit steep for what one gets. By shopping around various armourers (and in one case doing a trade) and making a COP from scratch (still working on it *sigh*)I put a nice kit together that includes steel arms, and greaves and sabatons for right at 500 bux. Granted....this kit listed would get somebody on the field for sure and would look MUCH better than blue plastic, but I still think the price is a bit steep.

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InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Mar 01, 2002 11:49 pm

Crystoll yes I meant that link.

Also I went the the site after posting above and they have raised there prices.

when I bought from them I got a full 15cent plate rig minus the helm for $750. that was everything, breast and back, gaunts, 3/4 steel legs, full steel arms, spanish collar gorget, spaulders.

but you will spend much more than that now.

Ed is right though if you shop around you can get a very nice kit for $790. Something that will not only look really good, and be period but you will not need to "trade up" again.

Insane Irish

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Sat Mar 02, 2002 6:21 am

There is also Carlo at Truehearth Armoury who does nice work for littel money

Graowulf · Post by **Graowulf** » Mon Mar 04, 2002 11:39 pm

I agree, it does not look the best... But AB can get you on the lists for $180.00 in mild. I've upgraded my kit several times and price is always an issue (but so is the safty of my ribs! [welcome to Atlantia

. The thought of getting a legal & safe starter kit for half the price of my churburg(sp?) would have been real nice. ya know what for a $180.00 kit I'm willing to grind a couple of welds. Barring a super deal at gulfwars I'll be ordering a "sallet" myself
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