Looking for beverly shear to trade

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:26 pm

Looking for someone in the UK with a spare shear knockoff or not to swap for armour of equal value. NO cash but could do some form of armour in 14g. MUST be in UK as i don't ahve money for shipping right now. I know its a long shot but pass it along to people who might need armour.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:48 pm

Just a note, and I may be off base but I would think that most people who even own a beverly shear can make armour. Unless you do some kind of metal forming a Beverly shear isn't usually a tool that is just lying around the basement. At least I have never come across one.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:58 pm

People seem to have them on ebay all the time i thought someone must know where i can get one round here. A jigsaw for 14g is just counterproductive. Sales are non-existant so this should kill two birds with one stone.

Chris G. · Post by **Chris G.** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm

I think InsaneIrish is right, most people on the archive that are going to have a beverly can probably make armour. The ones you see on ebay come from many sources. Such sources could include, but are not limited to, people getting out of the hobby (who probably wouldn't want any armour), people that buy tools at estate sales and auctions and then sell them on ebay, people that buy bulk lots of used beverly's and resell them on ebay, and just random people that happen to have beverly's. Either way, the people your offer is reaching are probably not the people that need to trade a beverly for armour.

Also, if someone did want to part with a beverly for armour, they might be more inclined if they saw some of your work. I was looking around on your website, but I couldn't find any pictures of your past armour projects.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:16 pm

I know its a very big problem with me and i wish everyone would get off my case about it. My camera is dead and the picture si can get aren't worth it due to quality. I promise when i get my B&W Bplate and some in-stcok stuff done i will post pictures. Honest. Or any other kind of cutting tool that won't die on me for using 14g.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:23 pm

Thomas I have to be honest here.

I have not seen anyone on this board be negative toward you. I see no reason why you need to be negative toward someone who quite frankly has asked a very pertanent and direct question. You have been on this board for some time and everyone has read the posts about how you are going to make a B&W harness and how you are going to make basket hilts and how you are going to make spaulders etc. etc. etc.

Even your site posts how you HOPE to make this and are going to make that. I understand about having cash flow problems. No one is chastizing you for that. Infact no one chastizes you at all, everyone answers your questions politely and honestly. In fact many have offered valuble options and ideas of way for you to get the raw materials for your craft.

Your camera is busted. Do you have a scanner? Go buy a disposable camera, take the armour you have made outside in the sun, take the pics, get them developed and scan them in. Hell nowadays you can get Kodak CDs made at the photo store of your pictures. No need to scan them in.

If nothing else take the pictures and mail them to a friend with a scanner and let them scan them in.

You have offered your services to make people armour quite often, and while I commend you on your pursistence it comes down to a simple equation. Product=sales

If you have no product to show off your skills no one will buy it.

Its like me asking people to buy a piece of original artwork without having painted it AND no examples showing that I can even paint. I am not saying you can't make armour. I am just trying to be honest with you. No one will buy armour from an armourer that can prove they can make armour.

I don't make armour, but I also don't sell my services as an armourer. I respect the fact that you do something I don't/can't but to garner the respect needed to sell your wears you need to show them. So, I think your next step would be to do what ever it takes to get pics of your work up on the net so that people can see remark, help, critique, buy, etc.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:34 pm

To be completely honest, lately i've been thinking of giving the armour business thing up for a couple of years. all tis doing is stressing me and everyone else out. i am going to take a break from selling or not selling armour as it seems. I wasn't rud i merely pointed out how people were getting at me for not having pictures. its not a crime. just leave me be and i will post pictures when i want/can. is this OK with you insane/everyone. So to be quite frank, go home, you have better things to do than look at my work. try making some of your own. If this comes across as annoyed, good cos i am and am thinking about the consequences of this post as i type. i am not sorry for what may happen.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:48 pm

IF you want, i'm in chat this minute and will stay for half an hour if you want to talk this over.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:56 pm

Thomas james hayman wrote:To be completely honest, lately i've been thinking of giving the armour business thing up for a couple of years. all tis doing is stressing me and everyone else out. i am going to take a break from selling or not selling armour as it seems. I wasn't rud i merely pointed out how people were getting at me for not having pictures. its not a crime. just leave me be and i will post pictures when i want/can. is this OK with you insane/everyone. So to be quite frank, go home, you have better things to do than look at my work. try making some of your own. If this comes across as annoyed, good cos i am and am thinking about the consequences of this post as i type. i am not sorry for what may happen.

I don't think we need to talk anything over. You want to close up "shop" that is your business. I am not stressed out whether or not you make armour. You don't have to ask my permission to do anything. You made a snarky remark to Edmund and I tried to explain to you why people keep asking for examples of your work. AND try and offer suggestions as to how you can accomplish that. If you wish to dress me down for trying to explain things to you and help you out then fine. that just means that perhaps you need to read more and post less.

I will save you the trouble and just won't read or post to any thread you start from now on. You are right I do have better things to do than explain things to you.

good luck.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:58 pm

fair enough, i'll leave it at that.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:03 am

**DING**

I would like to chime in here also.

Yes Thomas, I would like to see some pics of your work.

Past projects are fine.

We will not bite your head off. You have seen the pics of the members before.

I bust my ass to get pics on the forum. The critique is invaluable.

You lead us to think you have not made any armour.

We take a man at his word.

Show us your pics.

If you quit and go away we will think you never made any armour at all.

Pretty crappy mess if I do say meself.

Best of luck on your quest little pilgrim.

Halberds

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:40 am

Right, heres the situation as it stands. i will with help from other people re-open after december with pictures of work and better tools ;-)

. I have made armour i just need to sort other more important stuff out right now.