The Armour Archive

I was looking through the archives, and I came across this thread:

Here


There was talk in there of Durasteel making a resin copy "for the archive". I guess it fell through, because it isn't mentioned again.

I'd really like to see this happen, even if it was a year ago. It would be soooo cool!

I am the only one who wants a copy of a chopped up Visby skull?

Hmm, guess I am the only one...

I just thought it would be a cool thing to have sitting around, take to demos to show the damage a medieval weapon could cause, scare the bejesus out of children, etc. (Hey, it isn't mean, it teaches them history! )


So, nobody knows anything about this?

well, I was the dude that was looking for his skull. um, looking for his copy of the wisby skull I mean. My miscellanious crap is even more messed up since my housemate of 8 years decided to get married and we split up tons of stuff we had in boxes for ages. And I moved farther out into the boonies. Actually I really want to find that thing now, It would look cool stuck up ender the eve of the house. So now I'm back on the hunt, pm me if you dont hear anythign on this thread in a few days. i tend to get scatterbrained when I pick up extra shifts with medflight.

I'd quite possibly be interested in one myself, should one ever be available...

What they said.


Effingham

Every few months this seems to come up; people want a resin copy of one of the Visby skulls.

This skull was originally made by a guy named John Jones (Jones Bones). His Address and telepohne number is;

Jones Bones
1224 North Valley
Burbank CA
91505
(818) 955-9823

Somebody suggested that they could make a copy of it if they had one of his originals. Keep in mind, this is copyrighted artwork; you can't simply knock one off. I suggest that if you want one, contact Mr. Jones. I'm sure he would still be willing to make them if several people want one.

Peter Fuller

Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

add another me too

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

If you copy the original skull-that's a matter between you and the owner of the piece. Most museums have copyright on the objects in their collection. Just cuz it's old doesn't mean it's yours.

I believe the skull in question is a piece of artwork. To copy that would not only be illegal, but it would be depriving an artist of his livelihood.

Only a Churl would do that.

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

There can be a ton of issues with this... Museums often claim ownership of their pieces, even though they were made centuries ago.

Also, this probably was not a casting, but a recreation, which does make it his work. Now... if he's willing to do a run, depending on cost, I'd be glad to toss my name in the ring. Looks like 4 or 5 of us may be interested...


My original thought was not for someone to make a casting of Jones's work, but that someone may recreate another version of the same or similar historical artifact.

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

I would think that legally someone can copy the original and mass produce them. Where I think you would run into legal trouble is when that person started off copying someone else's copy. because you are actually copying his work, not the original skull.

But who really cares. I am in if someone makes them again. And I may even call the guy tomorrow.

I had one of these, but it was not resin cast it was plaster I bought it at Pennsic probably 20 years ago. Sadly it broke always wanted to replace it. Will gladly buy from original artist if new run possible.

From what I understand, he sculpted his version based on the original, not cast from it, so it is his work.

Mr. Jones does some incredible stuff. He has a full-sized (four feet long!) dragon skull, and has done a Predator skull, among other things. Whoever calls him should ask about his other work; there may be something else you guys might be interested in...

Peter Fuller

I talked with that fella. I learned two things:

a] its not actually molded off the real skull, its an artistic rendering. I was a bit disappointed by that, but it was really nice.

b] the fella who made them was nearly adamant that they were not worth his time to produce (if he did, they would be hundreds of dollars) .


I have thought about doing a replica (yes, artistic rendering) myself since I do lots of molding and resin casts. I guess Id like to see a serious sign up list if I were to sculpt one and produce it. Price would hover around 70 dollars I should think.

At $70ish, count me in for one, Drew! I think for both pure oddity interest and for presentation work, it could really be cool.

Also, I think I know someone else who would just about have to have one. I'd almost commit to two, just 'cause I don't think he could possibly pass it up. There might be more interest around the shop, too, but not sure if they'd pony up.

Aw cmon Aaron admit it....we're sick freaks.

Of course we are! No shame in that, is there?

Would be interested for our medical presentations.

Yeah, me too. That medical presentation thing sounds good. Yeah, that one, not the sick freak one. I wanted one of these the first time I saw it in MRL. If it comes out looking good, and like a skull, I'm definitely in for $70ish.

Count me in to for $70 if it looks good.






Johan

Alright, no need to jump on me. I have little knowledge of copyright laws, and I didn't know that it wasn't an original cast.

In that case, it would be most definitely wrong to copy his work.



So, if Durasteel were to make an "artistic redition" of one, I would be interested, as long as it looks good like Johan said.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having a copy of this one too:

[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x210/darkintruder/Burial12.jpg[/img]

But if Durasteel is willing, I'd bet there would be quite a few interested parties.

i'm in for at least one. If you end up making others I would probably be in for them too.

Damn, if I only had the time to do this myself. We regularly print skulls and parts of skulls in our 3D rapid prototype machines. I could easily slip in an extra skull with any battle damage I wanted... it would probably be good enough for a master but I have no way to mold multiple pieces.

Sean

You might be able to do a master, then ship it off to Drew at Durasteel for resin copies.

That would cut costs significantly, since he wouldn't actually have to sculpt the master.

It would depend on how high quality you could make the master blank, of course...

Could it have all that nasty mucky mail stuck to it also?
One would look good on my book case.
Count me in also.

Hal

There's at least three skulls that I know of. One has the sword/axe blow right to the face, one has the three crossbow bolts and two hammer blows, and one has the maile coif. The last one, as far as I know, doesn't have any actual damage to the skull.

Plus, I think the maile ups the difficulty factor by a great deal, at least as far as sculpting goes. It would be very cool, but I think unfeasible.

Ba-bump!

I don't want this getting lost.

Sean, you said you might be able to make a master skull right?

Durasteel, would it be possible to then take the master, and create copies of that?

Or would it just be simpler to actually sculpt it?

Either way, I'd like one of these.

One could start with this and chop it up appropriately:

http://www.anatomywarehouse.com/muscula ... -Skull.htm

Most museums have copyright on the objects in their collection. Just cuz it's old doesn't mean it's yours.


No they don't. An original artist or company that employs them have copyrights. They dont last forever, and things from the middle ages certainly have lapsed into the public domain.

HOWEVER, a museum can (and they often do) restrict permission to take photos, etc for commercial work.

-+G

Count me in for one maybe two.

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x210/darkintruder/Burial12.jpg[/img]

IIRC, this is "Bad Luck John". If it is him, I believe he has a few more holes in the front of his skull as well (arrow I think).

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Ba-bump!

I don't want this getting lost.

Sean, you said you might be able to make a master skull right?

Durasteel, would it be possible to then take the master, and create copies of that?
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Well I am a sculptor and I produce resin casts of my work. I also work with sculptors as part of my business: http://www.partsandtechnical.com/BUSTS- ... TURES.html

I wasn't questioning your abilities as an artist Mr. Young. God knows that I've spent a good amount of time drooling over your work.


I was just wondering if it would lower costs. But it doesn't look like it will be necessary anyways. I count... 9 at least.

Granted, when something like this happens, and interest is shown, it seems to dry up when it's time to pony up the cash. Funny how that is...

Are the Silent Hill nurse bookends a one off or do you produce them? If the latter, how much?

Corey....I wasnt insulted

Granted, when something like this happens, and interest is shown, it seems to dry up when it's time to pony up the cash. Funny how that is...

nah, I was planning on doing one anyway, even if for myself.

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Ingvarr

I worked with an artist in producing these... He is a great artist but we never got around to selling them...I can see if they are still available.