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Can anyone give me any idea's for last half of the 15th cent. Ottoman Turk footwear? Specifically boots. I've a few images but do not know any documentation on them.

Before I post in the classifieds looking to get some I'd like to make sure they are appropriate.


Can anyone tell me about these?


Thanks

Here are a couple designs from a bit earlier, but things probably didn't change much, and you could give them toes that point up, as well.
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-ca ... SLIST6.HTM

Baron Alcyoneus wrote:Here are a couple designs from a bit earlier, but things probably didn't change much, and you could give them toes that point up, as well.
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-ca ... SLIST6.HTM

Hmmmmmm......interesting.

I'd like to actually find a reference for the boots in the pic if possible and I want to make sure I get 'em right if I'm going to shell out the coin for them.

Thanks Alcy

Yellow for Yemiceri (Janissaries)

Sasha_Khan wrote:Yellow for Yemiceri (Janissaries)

Truly? I didn't know this, are there other colors that represent ones status or unit? Is it just the Yemiceri?


Thanks.

Benedek wrote:

Sasha_Khan wrote:Yellow for Yemiceri (Janissaries)

Truly? I didn't know this, are there other colors that represent ones status or unit? Is it just the Yemiceri?


Thanks.

Yep. Yellow for enlisted Yeniceri, there are other colors for NCO and officers.

I have not seen ANY upturned toes for this time period -either infantry OR cavalry footwear. There was a pair of late-period riding boots that were part of the second-wave Topkapi display that toured the states, and basically had a roper toe. Really boring, actually - they wouldn't have looked out of place in most tack shops.

All of my library is packed away at the other house, but next time I'm over, I'll grab my Ottoman military soources.

That would be great. Thanks for the input already.

I'm also curious about what other footwear I could get away with. Tall boots, ankle boots, I know we've discussed a slipper style shoe (can't remember the name at the moment).

I'd like to see whatever footwear is available but to me economically for now I'd think a large one time investment in a set of boots would be the best to get started.

Nothing else?...hhmmm...I'll still have to keep looking I guess.

I know I am very late to this party, =-) But I, too, have been researching Ottoman/Turkish horseman's boots. Currently I am using plain black cowboy boots as those seem to match the closest to what I can find in Turkish miniatures and illuminations and still be able to afford them. I need them to be functional as well as want them to fit my persona. I'm kinda sad that they don't seem to be more exotic, LOL! Pointy toe? Check! Heel? Check! Pimped out with obnoxious embroidered designs? Check! Safe and functional? Check! Able to withstand mud and horse poo? Check! Pretty enough to make my girl-heart happy? Check! (Although, they do tend to make me swagger like a dude,...)

Not sure what time period you are interested it; the more exotic looking boots seem to be from earlier periods. Here are references I found;
These are Tartar, but, what-the-hey, they were all over the place, and sometimes it's really difficult to tell Mongolian, Persian and Turkish apart.
http://aands.org/raisedheels/Lesson4/tartar.php
More Tartar boots. I have no idea of the period for these, but I would wear the hell outta them!
http://www.tatarstan.eu/images/stories/ ... m/tc10.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RAQe10SoUEs/T ... %2Byup.jpg


Turkoman archer. I can't find any info on this; where it's from, date, etc, but check out those blue boots with the tiny heel and white decorations! Wish I could find it clearer with more info,...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LD9vBE9ddlA/T ... 0/selc.jpg

Not on a horse, but what I'm looking for. Also not as pimptastic, but they are red.
http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Costume ... it1570.jpg

Turkish or Persian boots on horsemen on a carpet. Hard to see, but if you blow it up you can see pointy toes (not curled) and tallish heels. Also, the colors and maybe? some details? Kinda like cowboy boots; rather mundane,...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ehdPHohyzg4/S ... carpet.jpg

There's an illumination somewhere, and I haven't been able to find it today, but it's a Turkish Miniature of a horseman and he has great boots! They are black with a heel like a cowboy boot, with a pointy toe, slightly curved up, and appears to have lots of decoration (embroidery? Inlay? Applique?) on the uppers.

Well, I have to run, but hopefully this helps. If you've found anything since your last post I would love to see it!

More sources are *NEVER* late to the party!

Thomas Powers wrote:More sources are *NEVER* late to the party!

Seconded, I'll have to see if I can look at those pics closer when I have more time.

chiere wrote:These are Tartar, but, what-the-hey, they were all over the place, and sometimes it's really difficult to tell Mongolian, Persian and Turkish apart.
http://aands.org/raisedheels/Lesson4/tartar.php

The Tartar boots are cool. Little late period, but a small insight into boots relevant to me, of which there are not many extant examples.

chiere wrote:These are Tartar, but, what-the-hey, they were all over the place, and sometimes it's really difficult to tell Mongolian, Persian and Turkish apart.
http://aands.org/raisedheels/Lesson4/tartar.php

The Tartar boots are cool. Little late period, but a small insight into boots relevant to me, of which there are not many extant examples.

Benedek

Talk with Ashir

He can make you something period and affordable

The Turkish company I've been getting my Ottoman footwear from (Cuka) were on Etsy, but have now moved to http://www.shophandmade.com/Store/Cukasworld

They don't have as much of a selection up here yet, but I understand that they will be soon.

I have one pair of yemenis - the short, yellow leather flats the Yeniceri (Janissaries) wore, as well as a pair of the ankle boots that officers wore, and I wear them both quite a bit. They are amazingly comfy, and despite being custom-made to fit my huge American feet, they were made AND delivered to the States in under 10 days.

To say I was beyond pleased is an understatement, and I continue to be pleased with how well they are wearing.

Ogedei - Again, my friend Cristobal found a company in Ulaan Baatar that makes custom boots - these ran me $100 USD a pair. These are the Buryat style - much more period for most SCA folks than the comical pointy-toed things that some people insist on (but are VASTLY post-period)

http://pics.livejournal.com/sasha_khan/ ... 79qwe/g139

http://pics.livejournal.com/sasha_khan/ ... 75dsz/g139

Shipping from Mongolia is the killer, though - that was almost as much as the boots (shipping prices are much more reasonable now), although group orders made that much more affordable. Cristobal USED to do group orders, but got burned by too many flaky SCA people and stopped doing that.

Here's one of Nasaa's current auctions:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winter-Persian- ... 5647e44448

It's a woman-owned business, and I wouldn't hesitate to send any of my friends there. My entire household and camping group have these, and they've held up really well - even during the muddy Estrella that looked like a Kurosawa film

Well, darn, I'M not flaky, and me and my wife would wear a pair of those Buryat style boots in a heartbeat... (wife says "duh, yeah." But she's Hungarian, and those boots have felt in them, heh. Magyars LOOOOOVE felt and leather.)
EDIT: Good enough for my wife to immediately hit the Ebay link and dive into bootpr0n.