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Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:57 am
by Fearghus Macildubh
I was given a copy of this book for Father's Day.
http://www.amazon.com/William-Marshal-C ... 593&sr=8-1 Finally got some free time to read it. Lots of good information about knighthood and chivalry in the heyday of the Angevins and Anglo-Normans. How a household was ran, the role of women, how fealty was viewed, what the early tournaments were like. Great insight into very much what I consider the ur-chivalric period. Courtly love, errant knights, damsels, troubadours, Crusaders, what more could you want?
More books, that's what! What other books about the period do Archiver's recommend?
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:29 am
by Thorstenn
Fantastic book IMO. It was hard to put down.
As for recommendations. Go to amazon.com and search for Chivalry, pick a book at random.
Thor-
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:14 pm
by EnglishSteel
Von Lichtenstein's The Service of Ladies?
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:04 pm
by Cliff Rogers
John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.
Cliff
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:30 am
by Thorstenn
Just read what I could find on Google. I don't see a epic slam? did I miss it?
Thor-
Cliff Rogers wrote:John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.
Cliff
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:49 am
by Fearghus Macildubh
Thorstenn wrote:Just read what I could find on Google. I don't see a epic slam? did I miss it?
Thor-
Cliff Rogers wrote:John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.
Cliff
http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/p ... ngham1.pdf Ouch! To say that his disagrees with Duby's findings would be an understatment.
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:15 am
by ushumgal
Oh how I love academic cat fights!
...he says very little about war, and that little, as I shall make clear, is mostly rubbish.
Zing!!!
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:57 am
by Effingham
Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with primary material. Wolfram's Parzival, the Lais of Marie de France, Chretien de Troyes' Arthurian romances, the work of Hartmann von Aue, of Beroul, Layamon, the Pearl poet....
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:40 am
by Fearghus Macildubh
Eff,
I have the Lais of Marie de France on my wishlist, along with Chretien de Troyes. Nothing like a new subject to research to make a bookworm's day!
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:54 am
by Cliff Rogers
ushumgal wrote:Oh how I love academic cat fights!
...he says very little about war, and that little, as I shall make clear, is mostly rubbish.
Zing!!!
Check out the text at note 39, which is the sentence that always makes my students' jaw drop... especially before they realize it's a paraphrase of Duby's judgment on Marshal.
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:19 am
by Dan Howard
"sadly, these days, Duby seems to be blessed with a brain too small to impede the natural facility of his tireless pen"
Ouch
Re: Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:50 am
by Donal Mac Ruiseart
Don't forget Charny, who authored several books touching on chivalry; and Lull.