The Armour Archive

I am currently reading The Sunne in Splendour". Was his broken collar bone real or fiction?

I wish they would do a DNA testing with the new Dickie III DNA on the two young children found buried in the yard of the Tower of London to see if they really were the nephews that disappeared.

IMHO, I don't think that favoring an axe is going to develop the deformities R III had. Life' long practice with an English Longbow caused deformities on the joints of English archers but I don't think that the resistance of swinging an axe can even compare to drawing a bow or is going to cause a noticeable deformity.
Robert, the Bruce, was known to favor an axe and fought many more engagements than R III, and was never said to have a deformity from such activitiy.

Was it a deformity? I thought it was just a mild skeletal abnormality. No worse than those you see in modern athletes.

A bit of each. It's a mild scoliosis which might have ended up with one shoulder slightly higher than the other, if I recall correctly.

University of Leicester confirms that the remains ARE that of Richard III!

http://www.medievalnews.net/2013/02/gre ... chard-iii/

Dan Howard wrote:Was it a deformity? I thought it was just a mild skeletal abnormality. No worse than those you see in modern athletes.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 5371_n.jpg

if this is close to actual - yeah.

That doesn't look like a mild scoliosis. It looks like something created for the Daily Mail.

Although how much of that was visible through clothes is debateable. You might just have seen the uneven shoulders.

Dan Howard wrote:That doesn't look like a mild scoliosis. It looks like something created for the Daily Mail.

+1

With the spine being found disarticulated, how the hell can they tell there was that much curvature? Seriously.

Look at the close ups on the Beeb. you can see where the bone has been built up.

York has made a claim that the remains of Richard III should be buried there instead of in Leicester.

http://www.medievalnews.net/2013/02/yor ... s-remains/

Effingham wrote:With the spine being found disarticulated, how the hell can they tell there was that much curvature? Seriously.

The vertebrae are twisted and show abnormal growth on one side. Science!

-Derian.

Clear evidence of Goa'uld possession!

Derian le Breton wrote:

Effingham wrote:With the spine being found disarticulated, how the hell can they tell there was that much curvature? Seriously.

The vertebrae are twisted and show abnormal growth on one side. Science!

-Derian.

LOL! True. Plus I saw the photos of the skeleton in situ, and the spine was curved just like that, so... yeah. I take back my doubts.

(Go'uald hell --- Dickon was a Tok'ra!)

Sir Digby Chicken-Caesar wrote: But then there are always those who do this with a losing side where the leader or cause is raised to almost messianic levels, like the true believer Jacobites out there, I'm sure you in the States have similar.

...Ye Jacobites by name, your faults I would proclaim, your doctrines I maun blame, ye shall hear, ye shall hear...

Yeah, the approximate U.S. equivalent is venerating General Robert E. Lee -- who, really, even this dyed in the wool Unionist (with a Union Civil War minor-league hero ancestor on his mother's side (documentable yet)) would say was likely enough Presidential timber but for the career misstep of being the top general for the losing side in the American Civil War of 1861-65. Though there was the question of health, too, as he had heart trouble of which he died five years after the war.

Quickest initial exposure to this individual and some other well known figures both Union and Confederate would be watching "Gettysburg."

This conflict engendered the distinctive Americanism "they've fired on Fort Sumter," a phrase that combines the idea of "crossed the Rubicon" with "Ohhh... shit!" It was the opening engagement of the largest war we'd had to then, after months of nervous anticipation.

Meanwhile, right now thanks to this, we on this side of the pond are getting introduced to "mad as a hatstand" -- which is not opaque!

In my teens, I read a novel based on Richard entitled Under the Hog. And in school I read R. L. Stevenson's The Black Arrow. I later discovered that the version we read had been somwthat shortened, and then read the full version. Both novels are set in the time of Richard III (the former's title refers to his badge) and both treat him with dignity; the latter depicting him as a capable if rather cold leader.