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According to my books, etching doesn't originate until c1500 on armor, and later adapted to printing. But I just came across some info that disputes that.

I was looking at Oakeshotte's "Record of the Medieval Sword" at the bookstore ($55, so I'm not buying it today, maybe tomorrow. Image ) and on the cover it shows a sword recovered from the Tomb of Sancho IV the Brave of Castile. He died c 1285, and his tomb was opened in 1923, and the sword was photographed, so it is unlikely that it was modified since his death.

Oakeshotte says that the sword blade was etched, not engraved. I would think that this noted expert would not be confused about the matter.

When did swords begin to be etched?
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Alcyoneus,
In a book I have recently been reading it states that, the earliest mentions or examples of etching on armour date from the early 15th century, a recipe for etching was given in a manuscript dated 1409. Pattern welded blades date from much earlier and it is mentioned that the effect of this was visible, it is thought that some type of etchant was used to bring this out. One early sword was dated to the 6th century. As to other forms of etching designed to be decoration on it's own I have only seen it reverenced to the early 15th century. Hope this helps a little. Patrick

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Bumping, hoping for more info.
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Off the top of my head...

Etching on armour really came into use in the early 16th century.

That does not mean that etching didn't exist. It just means that the surviving pieces of armour that have been analyzed seem to all be engraved before 1500ish and etched after 1500ish. I have not seen contradictory evidence yet in armour.

So, to be safe, engrave your armour pre-1500 and etch it post-1500.

A similar thing is true on rolls - roll them out pre 1515 and roll (almost all) them in post 1515.

There just seem to have been changes in the way they did things.

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Thanks, and weapons? Any examples earlier than ~1263 or 1500?
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Forget etching & engraving - do pointille. All you need is a tiny pointy punch and a small hammer.
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What did they use in period to etch? I dont want to use HCl because I have had bad things happen with that stuff befor, ended up with a mout full, long story.
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how bout this, "to make a water which corrodes iron.-Take one ounce of sal ammoniac, one ounce of roche alum [aluminis roche], one ounce of sublimed silver [argento sublimato 9sic0, probably a confused reference to mercury sublimate], and one ounce of Roman vitrol. Pound them well, take a glazed earthen vase, pour into it equal parts of vinegar and water, then throw in the above-mentioned articles. Boil the whole until reduced to half a cup or a cup; apply it to such parts of the iron as you may wish to hollow or corrode and the water will corrode them." This was taken from the manuscript, Experimenta de coloribus, which bears a note that it had been transcribed from an earlier one in 1409. Another recipe from the fifteenth century, "cosists of salt and vinegar mixed into a paste with finely ground charcoal or of a solution of sal ammoniac, vitrol, and vinegar. Etching was slow, the mixture being left on for two or three days. There are many other period etchants that were used and the formulas become more common into the 1500's sometime in the 1500's Nitric became more common as an etchant(this is a bit nastier than HCl). I found this info in the book A History of Metalography. Today Nitric is a fairly commonly used one sometimes mixed with other stuff to give a good etch. Patrick


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Well, I didn't think they had strong acids until the 18-19thC, but I was wrong.

http://www.nidlink.com/~jfromm/lavoisier.htm

The word acid comes from the Latin word acere, which means "sour." All acids taste sour. Well known from ancient times were vinegar, sour milk and lemon juice.

Early in the 1200s, the strong mineral acids were first isolated. Sulfuric acid was made by heating green vitriol [iron(II) sulfate] and condensing the vapor into water. Other vitriols gave the same product. Mixing a vitriol with nitre (postassium nitrate) and heating produced vapors which gave nitric acid. Adding sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) to nitric acid gave aqua regia, so named for its ability to dissolve gold. Hydrochloric acid ("spirit(s) of salt" - a name still used in commerce/pharmacy as late as the early 1970s) also was known to the middle ages; certainly it was known to Paracelsus (early 1500s).

The word alkaline comes from the Arabic al-qily, which means "to roast in a pan" or "the calcinated ashes of plants." By leaching the ashes with water, one can obtain a solution of sodium or potassium carbonate (to use the modern terms). This is then mixed with slaked lime (calcium hydroxide) and you get a solution of NaOH or KOH. This technique was described in writing in the 900s, but may have existed for many years prior.

However, it was not until more modern times that the chemical nature of acids and bases began to be explored.
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Just be careful with that mercury sublimate - along with all the other nasty things these chemicals do, mercury releases a poisonous vapour . . . ergghhh

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Isn't that what apprentices are for, Egfroth? Image
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