Vervell question

gmandragora · Post by **gmandragora** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:54 am

A friend of mine wants to put vervells and a camail on a helm that looks like a barbute. An SCA barbute w/bargrill, looks like a bascinet with an exagerated pointed flair on the back.

Is this helm historical? I mean beside the bargrill. Can it be made to look historical?

I haven't seen a barbute done that way, is there a historical example?

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:25 am

If it has a Corinthian face- no.
If the top is rounded- no.
If the top is pointed, then it could pass for a Chalcis-type helmet.

Gaston de Clermont · Post by **Gaston de Clermont** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:23 pm

Rather than let him mangle this helm, can you convince him to wear a maile coif under it?
This article has some of the images Vitus was refering to:
http://www.chronique.com/Library/Armour/chalcis.htm
This image might help:
http://www.webfaire.com/images/armour/chalcis/chal_LXII8.GIF
Bear in mind, the work is mostly by Venetian armourers. Relatively little work of their ilk survives in museums because it's unusual in a less than masterful way.
It's very rare to see anything with such a "barbute" feel having vervelle holes.
Gaston de Clermont

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:55 am

I agree with Clermont.

gmandragora · Post by **gmandragora** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:17 pm

Thanks for the info. My friend has decide to forgo the maille and repad the helm and get a new gorget.

Geoffrey