Krotchpunt Fectbuch to be published!

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:24 am

Great news for fans of the authentic Western Martial Arts! My years of work translating the little-known Krotchpunt fighting manual are finally coming to a close, and now the fruits of my labors will finally be available to the general reader.
The entire text, as well as all of the beautiful artwork that accompanies the original copy, will be included in this stunning facimile edition.
My own introduction, as well as in-depth interpretations of the various complex moves will be included, so that students of medieval martial arts can try these moves during their own training sessions.
You wont find this information anywhere on the web, or through any other source.
If you are interested in making an advance order, please contact me for further information.
-Sean A. Garrison

Jeff J · Post by **Jeff J** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:01 pm

Looking forward to seeing period Krotchpunting.

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Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:35 pm

Ah, the thug in me is so HAPPY!!!

Russ, whose boots are on...

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:08 pm

Although the date of the original text has yet to be determined, most of this facimile edition was published in England in the late 1500's. I translated the original German text, and the two different versions have been collected together here to give the reader the best possible opportunity to become familiar with this rare German fighting art of the late medieval period. The original author, 'Master Gustav', was famous throughout all the courts of Europe- they even named a beer after him.
-Vitus

Buran · Post by **Buran** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:08 pm

Can we expect to see this, maybe early April?

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:53 pm

As long as it has information regarding fighting lilliputians, I will buy it.

IainMcClennan · Post by **IainMcClennan** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:21 pm

Will you be wearing your green boot at the Historical Combat Series?

I would be interested in seeing how environment and terrain affect the techniques of Krotchpunt. For instance, I imagine the style would be even more effective if a detour can be made through the cow pasture on the way to an encounter.

Iain

SyrRhys · Post by **SyrRhys** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:40 pm

LOL! Vitus, my friend, you *know* I need an autographed copy!!

By the way, does this manual include the dreaded "wrap punt" technique hinted at darkly in so many other works?

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Hugh Knight
"Welcome to the Church of the Open Field, let us 'prey': Hunt hard, kill swiftly, waste nothing, make no apologies"

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:55 pm

The wrap punt? I don't know, maybe it does. It is quite possible that I have overlooked something during my laborious translation.
-Vee

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:53 pm

krotchpunt.......Ouch !.....Otto

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 8:03 pm

Hahahahahah! Dmitriy, that was very funny.

Richard Blackmoore · Post by **Richard Blackmoore** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:03 pm

Vitus, I am intrigued. I know little of Krotchpunt, only that Mr. Clements respects it so highly that he is afraid that it might fall into the wrong hands and be used for evil purposes. I asked him about it. He was clearly so worried that he feigned to have no knowledge of it whatsoever.

For myself, I would like to know if it has any applicability to SCA combat. Sources tell me that Krotchpunt is so deadly that it can only be practiced at 1/4 of normal speed and with really soft wasters while wearing full plate. Chef claims it is too Germanocentric not to be really good. Bascot says that it can't be evaluated unless you use it to kill an armoured horse. Rhys says that you have to try it full speed to appreciate it and if a few people die in the process that is the price of progress. What is the truth?

Also, is it suitable for LARP?

CBA · Post by **CBA** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 1:38 pm

I hate being the only outsider when there's an inside joke.

Jeff J · Post by **Jeff J** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 8:53 pm

Sigh...

No inside joke. Just a low blow:

Crotch Punt

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Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:14 pm

I believe that there is a Japanese Aikido move called, "Sho ram bo" that is identical to one of the moves in the Krotchpunt manual. I'll be happy to demonstrate.

CBA · Post by **CBA** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:04 am

AH, I get it now,
it's similar to the Scotts/Irish martial art of Fugh Yew except there is more headbutting and Kicking people. It's sort of like drnken boxing

Ringlancer · Post by **Ringlancer** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:08 am

Just a word of warning...there are many people who are devout beleivers in Krotchpunt, but it is not infalible. There is an obscure Hungarian (although some say Bohemian...there are two different and warring schools) primarily defensive martial art called Baldatsu (or Boldatsku). Very similar in some ways to Aikido, this art focuses mostly on the redirection of your opponants blows into a special piece of equipment.

All practicioners of this art wear a special cup or codpiece that is festooned with metal spikes from one to three inches in length.

(There was almost a battle fought over spike length in Budapest in 1513, but as Baldatsu is a defensive art, neither side through the first blow.....)

There are a few practicioners of this art still, although it is harder and harder to find the schools or the equipment for it. There was talk of including it in the Olympics early in the 20th century, but purists argued that the offensive moves added plus the removal of the spikes diluted the artform and refused to attend or teach it to "newcomers that wanted to bastardize the art."

William Ringlancer, who has tried to intigrate Baldatsu into my SCA fighting for many years, so it seems.

Roderick · Post by **Roderick** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:57 am

Oh my god!

I just down loaded a pirated copy of Krotchpunt from Thailand. It's brutal, really terrible stuff. The woodcuts are truely stomach turning, and graphic, in the true sense of the word.

I just hope that the Australians don't get their hands on this. It would be far reaching indeed.

Abaddon · Post by **Abaddon** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:19 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trevor:
I believe that there is a Japanese Aikido move called, "Sho ram bo" that is identical to one of the moves in the Krotchpunt manual. I'll be happy to demonstrate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was "ro sham bo".
Not "show Rambo".

Thaddeus · Post by **Thaddeus** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:41 pm

CBA, unlike the venerable Scottish art of fugh Yew, crotchpunting does not assume that the first head butt has knocked the opponent to the ground(where upon the kicking amy commence). Rather practitioners of crotchpunting are advised to start swing their boots far earlier in the engagement. Once the opponent is driven to the ground or otherwise incapacitated the scholar may then apply 'Thumbe to Ye eye'.

Magmaforge · Post by **Magmaforge** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:07 am

My first soccer coach had learned several of the basic Krotchpunt techniques through oral tradition in his family. We learned them well.

Christoffer · Post by **Christoffer** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:48 am

I've got to get a copy of this highly acclaimed fechtbuch. No, really.

Pietro da San Tebaldo · Mon Aug 19, 2002 2:59 pm

Vitus -

we're considering an event for next fall, an all-martial-arts-forms day of classes and muggings merrily entitled "Oktoberfect". Would you consent to be a featured speaker? Can I line up some (unsuspecting) sparring partners for you from "Pietro's List of Folks Who Pissed Me Off"?

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"Or, a pall inverted surmounted by an orle Azure counterchanged"
mka: Sam Pearce

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 3:20 pm

I got a copy from Mandrake. The artwork is amazing, with every detail of the Green Boot drawn in a loving hand. The text is invaluable, for some illustrations are misleading (particularly the one pertaining to the use of the stick). A complete system, this book can and should serve as the cornerstone of a comprehensive WMA school cirriculum. Congratulations to Sir Vitus on a job well done!

I am considering starting a Krotchpunt study group in the Bay area. Anyone interested?

Meetings on UC Berkeley campus, every other Tuesday. Bring a cup, comfortable training gear, and a Green Boot if you have one (if you don't, a regular steel-toed boot will do for the first few practices). I expect to be making a regular trip to Beckett's Pub after the meetings, if you want to join me there for socializing and possible opportunities for extra practice.

Parlan · Post by **Parlan** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 3:39 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dmitriy:
I got a copy from Mandrake. The artwork is amazing, with every detail of the Green Boot drawn in a loving hand. The text is invaluable, for some illustrations are misleading (particularly the one pertaining to the use of the stick). A complete system, this book can and should serve as the cornerstone of a comprehensive WMA school cirriculum. Congratulations to Sir Vitus on a job well done!

I am considering starting a Krotchpunt study group in the Bay area. Anyone interested?

Meetings on UC Berkeley campus, every other Tuesday. Bring a cup, comfortable training gear, and a Green Boot if you have one (if you don't, a regular steel-toed boot will do for the first few practices). I expect to be making a regular trip to Beckett's Pub after the meetings, if you want to join me there for socializing and possible opportunities for extra practice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bring it to Purg this weekend if you are going.

Anyone out there have a translation of
Tal-boffer?

jester · Post by **jester** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 4:01 pm

Anyone interested in studying the ancient Welsh art of Llap-Goch? More a martial philosophy than a system, but it was the heart of Welsh martial strategy for many years.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:12 am

I believe that some of the techniques are identical to those of Tai Kwan Leap, but similarily to American Kempo, it does not involve kicking above the waist.

bela of kaffa · Post by **bela of kaffa** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:26 am

ohmygawd...
i picked up a copy at pennsic... (forgot to get the t-shirt)... WONDERFUL!! especially the part about driving the green boot into the midriff of your mother-in-law, thereby achieving peace and quiet...
that, and the method to deal with a large man with a sword!

great work!

bela