Garb Question

SilverGriffon · Post by **SilverGriffon** » Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:35 pm

I need it, and I want it to be as close as I possibly can achieve. This will be my first attempt at garb, I dont own any, and I want to get it right the first time.

1480 England Male What else would you need to know?

I am looking for "color" pictures with patterns or patterns to purchase. I have found there is a overwhelming amount of garb websites to choose from however each one of the dozens I have been through dont answer my questions.

Have I given you enough info to answer ?

Thank you in Advance.

SilverGriffon

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Tue Oct 08, 2002 9:12 pm

....Of what social station?

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Bob R.

SilverGriffon · Post by **SilverGriffon** » Tue Oct 08, 2002 9:32 pm

Good Question, Sadly I dont have a good answer.

Maybe I am backwards engineering my persona. I choose Armour I liked and then built my Location and Years from that, based on when I finish my kit, everything will fit.

Now choosing my Garb, I will make my choice on what I like from different examples and my social station will adjust to fit it.

I want to make the cookie cutter fit me, vs the other way around.

So The only answer I could possibly give currently is " The meaning of life is 42!

Silver Griffon

Gwen · Post by **Gwen** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 1:48 am

If you really want to "do it right", it's more like your armour (amount & type) will determine your social station, and the social station will determine the clothing.

Joe Dog Soldier doesn't wear plate, and Lord High Mucky Muck in the fancy velvet gown doesn't run around in a creased old sallet and jack.

If you've not seen them already, you might want to have a look at "The medieval Soldier Recreated in Colour Photographs" by Gerry Embleton and John Howe, and Embleton's "Medieval Costume" books. Both have enough information to get you pointed in the right direction at least .

The best patterns I've seen for this period are in Sarah Thursfeld's "Medieval Tailor's Assistant". Her patterns are reasonable, but her supporting info is sketchy to non existant. Better to look at Mary G Houston's book "Medieval Costume in England and France: The 13th, 14th and 15th Centuries" for an overview.

Hope that helps!

Gwen

Greyholt · Post by **Greyholt** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 2:28 am

Or, you could just buy it from Gwen!...

Historic Enterprises Rules!

..........Greyholt

P.S. I have not been reimbursed in any way for this viewpoint, which may, or may not represent the views of the Archive (but it would be cool

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Ethilrist · Post by **Ethilrist** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:36 am

Tempus Peregrinator has a wide variety of garb illustrations on his site at http://www.pipcom.com/~tempus/

Various countries, time periods, and social station are covered.

Gwen · Post by **Gwen** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 2:47 pm

Tempus Peregrinator has clearly put a tremendous amount of time and effort into his site, and I have no doubt that it is very useful for many people. I applaud his efforts, which doubtless cost him many hours of time.

That having been said, I would stick with my previous recomendations for resources, especially if your goal is kit "as close as [you] possibly can achieve". I'm assuming you want kit based on the best and most up to date bona fide historical sources/resources.

Gwen

(and thanks for the plug, Greyholt!

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SilverGriffon · Post by **SilverGriffon** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 5:27 pm

Thank you all.

The Tempus Peregrinator website wasnt what I was looking for exactly, I really need to see things in color to picture in my mind what its going to look like on me.

Gewn, your site however is fantasic. It gave me good ideas of what I need in order to achieve my goals. New Question, Can I get a custom Quote from you, and how long would said quote be good for ? If you read this, email me at yancy.lancaster@ormet.com

I am at work and would like to talk more about ordering from you.

gilbertdeschamps · Post by **gilbertdeschamps** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:13 pm

I have to second the Historic Enterprises comments above - I recently bought a linen G63 tunic/short gown from HE - it is beautifully made and truly a work of art.

regards
Gilbert

Bainard Grey · Post by **Bainard Grey** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:51 am

My reccomendation for that time period would be the Medieval Tailors Assistant as well. The documentation is kind of not there, but what is there can be cross referenced from other sources and the patterns are excellent. As for the coloured plates.. When constructing garb I often photocopy the plates from books and colour them myself to see how they will look when completed. This makes it much easier to personalize the garb. If you really want the coloured plates I would reccomend Medieval Military Costume (Europa Militaria Special #8) by Gary Embleton ISBN 1-86126-371-6 and Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince by Stella Mary Newton ISBN 0-85115-125-6. I could go on for quite awhile on the time period but in the interest of bandwidth, if you want more sources, etc. feel free to e-mail me privatly.