irish kit

medieval misfit · Post by **medieval misfit** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:30 pm

what would a wealthy irishmen of the early 14thc be wearing armor wise plus close wise and som names.

thanks in advance

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:05 pm

It seems now-a-days EVERYONE wants a mid-era medieval Irish kit, but the problem is there REALLY isn't a whole lot to go by. I would suggest that you either frop it down to 10th century or raise it to 16th century. This is really the answer I give everyone. Unless you want to go off A LOT of little artifacts, then there really isn't any popular/VALUABLE pieces that flat out show an Irish kit. If you want to raise it to 16th century let me know and I can tell you how I did mine, and if I remember right, you're a youngin' like me, so it's very duable for a younger aspiring Irishman.

If you want to drop it to 10th cenuty I can direct you to some websites with info, and can also point you to some helpful people.

I really wish I could help you guys. I'm glad to see alot of people interested in their Irish heritage (or lack thereof). Try reconstructinghistory.com . It is run by a lady who frequents the board names Kass. I'm not sure how much valuable information on the 13th century Ireland you can suck out of there, but it is a WONDERFULLY informational site. All and all there weren't many wealthy FULL-BLOODED Irish people in Ireland in the 13th century, and if there were I doubt they would want to fight.

I can, however, suggest some ideas and speculations: In the 14th century, any Irish wealthman (if it existed

) would have to have some tie-in with the English. So take a 14th century English kit of an average soldier. Really you would want to try to keep it all maille if possible, VERY simple. Again this is speculation so don't take it as scripture.

I really can't give you any solid, factual, concrete information. If you decide to bump it up 200years though, I CAN give you truck loads of info.

Your decision.

As names: I will try to find the site when I get home (I'm at school right now). There is a site that has a list of Irish names from the middle ages. You can always go with Brian if you wanna keep it simple

.

I'm sorry I can't help as much as I wish I could :\

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medieval misfit · Post by **medieval misfit** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:33 pm

what type of info do you have for tenth-eleventh century? that might be cool. The group im in only goes to 1500 so 16thc wont work. thanks for the help.

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Xander · Post by **Xander** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:14 pm

Once again not much information, especially on Armour, this is the tail end of teh Viking era in Ireland, some have put down roots the rest have left to go back home!

Normans invaded, and took over places later so some early Norman armour would be appropriate, conical helm, maille maybe elbow and knee cops, some vambraces or greaves, certainly not full plate just odd bits and bobs.

Really Wes is right, stick to maille, if a helm is a must go for conical or dome, maybe even a simple pot for C14. Any other armour I would make from leather.

Xander (if you need any info on clothing I can dig out some links for you)

Bedlam · Post by **Bedlam** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:03 pm

Wouldn't an wealthy Irishman have pretty much what was available in England at the time. Or even in France as his travels could easily have taken him there?

BEDLAM

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:33 pm

Thats sorta what I was heading towards Beldam. A WEALTHY Irishman would most likely wear a middle-class (if there was such a thing) English kit.

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:39 pm

Here are some names I took from http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/names-Irish-msg.html ....

Boys

AENGUS,ARIHCLINN,AIDAN/AODHAN,AILILL,ALAN,ANLON,ARDAL,ART,BANAN,BARDAN

BARHAN/BEARCHAN,BARRY/BAIRRE,BECCAN,BRIAN,BRANDUFF/BRANDUBH,BRAZIL

BRIAN,BRION,BROGAN,BRONE,CADHLA,CAFFAR/CATHBHARR,CAHIR/CATHAIR,

CAIRBRE, CALLAGHAN,CALVAGH,CANICE/COINNEACH,CANOC,CARROLL/CEARBH

ALL,CATHAL,CELSUS,
CIAN/KEAN,COLE/COMHGHALL,COLLA,COLM,COLMAN,COLMCILLE

COLUMBA,CONAIRE,CONALL/CONNELL,CONAN,CONLEY

CONN,CONNOR,CORBAN,CORC,CORMAC,COWAN

DALLAN,DAMAN,DARRAGH,DAREEN, DAVIN/DAIMHIN,DECLAN

DERMOT/DIARMAID,DONAGH/DONNCHADH,DONAL,DONEGAN,DONLEAVY,DONOVAN

DOUGAL/DUBHGHAL,DUALD,
DUFFY,EACHANN,EGAN/AODHGAN,ENDA,ENOS,EOGHAN,ERNAN,

EVENY/AIBHNE,FACHTNA,FARRELL/FEARGHAL,FELIM(ID).FERGAL,FERGUS/FEARGHUS

FIACH, FIACHRA,FINBAR,FINEEN/FININ,FIN(N)IAN,FINN,FINNEGAN,

FINTAN,FLANAGAN,FLANN,GAEL,GALVIN,GARVIN,
GILPATRICK,GILLEECE/GIOLLA

LOSA,GLAISNE,GLAS,GORMAN,GRIFFIN/CRIOFAN,GUAIRE,HEBER/EIBHEAR,HEWNEY/UAITHNE

HUGH/AODH,JARLATH/LARLAITH, KEAN/CIAN,KEDAGH/CEADACH,

KELLY/CELLACH,KENNELLY/CIONNAOLA,KERILL/CAIREALL

,KEVAN,KEVIN,KIERNAN/CIARAN,KILIAN/CILLIN,KINSELLA/CINNSEALACH,

LEARY/LAOGHAIRE,LENNAN,LOCHLAINN,LOMAN,LORAN/LUARAN,LORCAN,

LUCAN,LYNAGH/LAIGHNEACH,
LYSAGH/LOOISEACH,MACARTAN,MACCON,MAHON

,MALACHY,MANNIX/MAINCHIN,MANY/MAINE,MARCAN,MEL,MIACH,MOLLOY,MULRONEY,

MURRAY/MUIRIOCH,MURROUGH/MURCHADH,MURTAGH/MUIRCHEARTACH

,NATHY/NAITHI,NESSAN,

NEVAN,NIADH,DIAL,DIALLAN,ORAN,OSCAR,OSSIAN/OISIN,QUINLAN/CAOINLEAN,

QUINTON/CUMHAI,rEILLY,RIORDAN,RONAN,RORY/RUAIRI,ROSS,ROWAN,

RYAN/RIAN,SCANLON,SEANAN,SHEEDY/.SIODA,TADHG,TIARNAN,TIERNEY/TIARNACH,

TULLY/TUATHAL TURLOUGH/TARLACH,

Hope that gives you a start

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Bedlam · Post by **Bedlam** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:45 pm

Duffy, definately Duffy. Plan on losing your Pennsic lunch money every day!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:48 pm

And here is one more site

http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/irish.shtml

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Xander · Post by **Xander** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:01 am

Hey Bedlam, Duffy is my second name! you get stick for it ie. people randomnly making up nicknames like: duffy the vampire slayer.

You get a laugh anyway.

Xander

Bedlam · Post by **Bedlam** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:48 pm

Goofy nicknames like that always remind me of an episode of Saturday Night Live when Nicholas Cage and his wife are trying to decide on a name for their baby. He keeps dismissing them because of all the nicknames and jokes kids will make.

Then there is a knock at the door and a guy says, "I have a delivery for Mr. Asswipe."

And Nicholas Cage says, "It's pronounced Ahs-wee-pay."

Still makes me laugh.

BEDLAM

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 5:36 pm

The trouble is, a wealthy Irishman in this period was probably an Anglo-Norman . . .and his surname would probably have started with Fitz . . .

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:19 pm

Ahhhh

A very key point! I cannot believe I missed that one. Good call!

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Bob H · Post by **Bob H** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:33 pm

You might enjoy looking through the Academy of Saint Gabriel's site.