Has anyone bought from this company?

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:25 am

http://www.tvgawex.pl/~g13526/english/aindex.html

Wil · Post by **Wil** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:44 am

If I owned Historic Enterprises, I would sue the pants off that company.

~Wil

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:52 am

Wil

Unlike the case with the Italian company these guys are not using HEs clothing to make patterns. Their cloths are no where as nice looking as Gwen's. Only the images and page set up look simalar to HE.

Paul I would not buy thier gear, it all looks kinda off to me. Thier 15th c stuff looks real bad, I have no idea where they made that design from.

Flonzy

Gwen · Post by **Gwen** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:11 am

Glad you noticed Wil, I wasn't going to comment.

I sent the link to Jeffrey and he responded "But it's a ripoff of the old site, and their stuff is shite." Nobody like Jeff to put a fine point on things. :wink:

Wait until you see the new doublets- they rock the free world, if I do say so myself. Photos forthcoming....

As I've said before, Caveat Emptor.

Gwen

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:28 am

I told my wife that I was going to get her one of those kirtles (as a joke) and she went "Loser says what?" She too has a dry wit about these sorts of things.

Then again, my rip-off meter wasn't pegging too much, because it just wasn't looking the same to me. Except the red doublet. How many different way to skin the doublet cat are there, by the by?

Jehan de Pelham, squire of Sir Vitus

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:48 am

Thanks for the replies. I was looking at the points and the belt buckles I really like those and considered ordering a couple of the buckles.

Gwen · Post by **Gwen** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:03 am

Jehan, if it looks like the artwork, then there's a really narrow range of what a doublet should look like. Thing is, all of these companies are copying my -old- pattern, with all the flaws intact. If they made different mistakes, I'd think they hadn't seen my stuff and were misinterpreting the art on their own, but since it's the same errors.....well, you do the math. :wink:

Someone in Poland offered us those points, and I thought they were cool too. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a historical prescedent for them, so we didn't buy any.

They are pretty though, I grant you that.

Do you guys see now why I have to be very guarded about what products I'm developing?

BTW, Look on the website under "specials" for a new product we just put up last night with no fanfare. (Fanfare- get it? :lol:

ha ha ha, I crack myself up!)

Gwen, who is clearly having trouble dealing with the cold meds....

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:12 am

Must resist buying all CDs :wink:

Flonzy

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:13 am

Jehan de Pelham wrote:I told my wife that I was going to get her one of those kirtles (as a joke) and she went "Loser says what?" She too has a dry wit about these sorts of things.

I think 75% of the problem with that kirtle is that the model is doing a terrible job of wearing it. It's not laced at all properly, and obviously doesn't fit her. If it were laced correctly and firmly, it would probably look much better. And worn with a proper chemise or undergown.

Beyond that, though, the sleeve head looks almost pouffy, and the skirt sure is narrow. And I'd like to see it in wool and silk as well as linen.

But honestly, if it were worn correctly, it looks like it might work as well as much of what's out on the market.

What other inherent flaws did your wife see with it? Other than the bad modeling?

-Charlotte

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:05 pm

[quote="CharlotteI think 75% of the problem with that kirtle is that the model is doing a terrible job of wearing it. It's not laced at all properly
-Charlotte[/quote]

Do you think the model is trying to...impress...us :wink:

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:08 pm

Guy Dawkins wrote:Do you think the model is trying to...impress...us

She obviously has... huge, tracts of land... but I really think a proper lacing job would go far to ... enhance ... her look.

-Charlotte

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:27 pm

She just felt like it was all wrong. The upper sleeves seemed too constricting, and the lacing was a mess, so I'm sure she thought the cut of the garment was poor.

Jehan de Pelham, squire of Sir Vitus

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:31 pm

I say we cut it off her and start all over

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:27 pm

Jehan:

I was thinking that about the sleeves as well. It could be a trick of the huge chemise...

Is your wife also going to be joining you in your new impression of esquire? If so, what is her list of necessities?

Sorry to hijack the thread, maybe you could post it in the other one that you started...

-Charlotte

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:16 pm

Her list is her business, and though I have invited her to engage in a greedfest all her own, she hasn't taken me up on it, but it will involve cotehardies and sideless surcotes in wool and silk, shoon, belts, hosen, chemises, jewelry, and so forth. Her needs are somewhat taken care of by the articles on my list.

Then there is the entire process of determining if the presence of an esquire's lady is appropriate. It probably isn't, and so of course this has a certain affect on her portrayal. She isn't as married to the concept of a LH portrayal as I am, so I don't know what her conclusions will be. Maybe she'll decide to play the part of Jehan's mistress.

Hijack complete. Sorry.

Jehan de Pelham, squire of Sir Vitus

Tancred de Lanvellec · Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:17 pm

Gwen wrote:Glad you noticed Wil, I wasn't going to comment.

I sent the link to Jeffrey and he responded "But it's a ripoff of the old site, and their stuff is shite." Nobody like Jeff to put a fine point on things.

Wait until you see the new doublets- they rock the free world, if I do say so myself. Photos forthcoming....

As I've said before, Caveat Emptor.

Gwen

I have one of the new doublets and they are awesome.
Yeah - that other site is good for LARPy stuff but it blows for LH.

ishrajl · Post by **ishrajl** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:54 pm

Something I found rather amusing. The description reads:

It is made from wool, and is excellently fited. It consists of with three main pieces. The linen hose won`t fit well because that material isn`t so flexible as wool.

The image is:
http://www.tvgawex.pl/~g13526/grafika/wierzchni/spodnie1_d1.jpg

For contrast the Historic Enterprises fitting looks like:

http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=99&c=6

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:53 pm

the points are quite nice. especially the silver spiral ones. i'd still buy from Jeff and Gwen any day though. I just couldn't trust these other people.

Robert P. Norwalt · Post by **Robert P. Norwalt** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:39 pm

Maybe somebody needs to tell these folks we American Reenactor's don't wee-wee out of our belly buttons like they do 'over the water'.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:16 pm

do you mind!! i'm from 'over the water'