Old kit finally done, new kit progressing
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Old kit finally done, new kit progressing
All i needed to finnish the kit with the spang was a pair of 4 toggle boots from Bohemond, i bought them in feb and love them. So now that that one is done im onto the next, the plan is 5 diff kits over 5 years with complete how to instructions for all 5, it may take less than 5, maybe 3, well see
I am working on the reinforced surcoat and the gamboised cuisses, this second kit could be done in a month or so.
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I am working on the reinforced surcoat and the gamboised cuisses, this second kit could be done in a month or so.
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Excellent! Especially Sir Robin! I think the kidney pouch is a little out of place though.
I'd definitely like to know how you do the gamboised cuisses. Will you be posting this information here under patterns?
The shield heraldry is especially timely tonight, as it is 3AM and I have 3 dozen 2-day old chicks squacking in the bedroom and 500 watts of infrared heat lamps on. It is at least 97 degrees in there right now and I feel like whacking chickens with clubs....
I'd definitely like to know how you do the gamboised cuisses. Will you be posting this information here under patterns?
The shield heraldry is especially timely tonight, as it is 3AM and I have 3 dozen 2-day old chicks squacking in the bedroom and 500 watts of infrared heat lamps on. It is at least 97 degrees in there right now and I feel like whacking chickens with clubs....
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Thanks guys, no pic of the leg armour that goes with the flat top because its not done, but my wife is home today snowbound, the snow is to deep even for my 4x4, and my snowblower is frozen solid, so we my make the gamboised cuisses today. i will be wearing a set of these on the knees
<img src="http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/stuff.jpg">
I am not sure i will wear the greaves or not. Im trying for a little earlier.
And yeah the pouch is way off, thats from my burgundian kit, but i needed it to hold cards that day.
The other kit has no greaves as they are not realy correct.
Im wearing hidden abs knees and a pair of crash pad brand padded mountain bike pants.
http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/rk5c.jpg
And i did have python on my mind when i did my device, although Robin has a hen.
<img src="http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/stuff.jpg">
I am not sure i will wear the greaves or not. Im trying for a little earlier.
And yeah the pouch is way off, thats from my burgundian kit, but i needed it to hold cards that day.
The other kit has no greaves as they are not realy correct.
Im wearing hidden abs knees and a pair of crash pad brand padded mountain bike pants.
http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/rk5c.jpg
And i did have python on my mind when i did my device, although Robin has a hen.
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Damit Adam, I have TWO D-faces in my house right now and yours puts them to shame.
Keep up the inspiring work and updates on the progress on your leg armour.
Keep up the inspiring work and updates on the progress on your leg armour.
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Tim, that pouch you made is sweet and would go nicely with that gear, so mail it to me
Mord, its not called rampant, i believe a creature needs 4 legs to be rampant.
Cet, i start each day by working on my own projects, i workon them for about an hour or so, it helps get me in the mood.
Roger, i haveonly made the left greave, and i made it over a year ago, it was my first, now the hard part is maing another one, im not sure whn ill be able to build more.
The helmet is an instock item, so its not mine yet, but if i get the rest of the kit done then i will keep the helmet.
Mord, its not called rampant, i believe a creature needs 4 legs to be rampant.
Cet, i start each day by working on my own projects, i workon them for about an hour or so, it helps get me in the mood.
Roger, i haveonly made the left greave, and i made it over a year ago, it was my first, now the hard part is maing another one, im not sure whn ill be able to build more.
The helmet is an instock item, so its not mine yet, but if i get the rest of the kit done then i will keep the helmet.
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Cerebus wrote:Adam, how often doi you get hit in the thighs wearing the padded shorts? Have you added anything to the shorts or do you wear them unmodified?
Thanks
Alain
Actually mine are not shorts, they are pants, they even had a padded shin.
I have done nothing to modify them. On their own i would say they are fairly decent protection, depending on your paint threshhold but with the addition of the long quilted coat they are a little better, and when the gamboised cuisses are done i think the combo will be excellent. Added to this i have a pretty solid defence so i feel pretty safe with them
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That's cool, for some reason I thought your Rus kit was 11th or 12th cent and the western-style leg armour would make another (slightly-)later look.
The leg armour decision is actually one I've been struggling with as I've been planning my Rus "dream-kit." How early would gamboissed cuisses w/ kneecop be appropriate in a Rus context? Were the two options on the battlefield concurrently (in that case I could "just choose one")?
The leg armour decision is actually one I've been struggling with as I've been planning my Rus "dream-kit." How early would gamboissed cuisses w/ kneecop be appropriate in a Rus context? Were the two options on the battlefield concurrently (in that case I could "just choose one")?
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I was shooting for a Boyar, 1240 or so, i plan in time to make a more accurate helmet, i built the current one fairly generic as i was not realy sure about a time and place.
As for the gamboised cuisses and cops on a Rus, im realy not sure.
There is certainly some back and forth in regards to armour, you have to wonder, lamella manages to make its way onto european crusaders, whould gamboised cuisses and early polyenes make their way east?
Im realy just starting to poke around and try and find out about these things
A simple shynbald style greave may even be acceptable. Im realy not sure.
As for the gamboised cuisses and cops on a Rus, im realy not sure.
There is certainly some back and forth in regards to armour, you have to wonder, lamella manages to make its way onto european crusaders, whould gamboised cuisses and early polyenes make their way east?
Im realy just starting to poke around and try and find out about these things
A simple shynbald style greave may even be acceptable. Im realy not sure.
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question for you
The following is an actual 'please enlighten me' question, not a bitchy authenti-snob question
What is the documentation for the metal bazubands with your kit?
I was recently asked by one of my guys if metal bazubands would be legit for his 11th C Rus LH kit and I didnt know, Id like to be able to accurately answer him next time;)
Great looking stuff btw
Halv
edited to give you better info on which to base your answer
question for you
The following is an actual 'please enlighten me' question, not a bitchy authenti-snob question
What is the documentation for the metal bazubands with your kit?
I was recently asked by one of my guys if metal bazubands would be legit for his 11th C Rus LH kit and I didnt know, Id like to be able to accurately answer him next time;)
Great looking stuff btw
Halv
edited to give you better info on which to base your answer
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Non, im not sure about the 11th cent, i portray 13th. and may be pushing the bazuband date there, im not sure, ive spent a bit of time gawking at a minature from the Simonov Chludov Psalter wher i think im seeing a bazuband like arm defence on 3 soldiers but cant tell, the descriptive text only mentions the western style maile chausses. it dates 1270
Normans Silk Road site diecusses them, he mentions a possible pair in the 8th century, and also mentions a pair found at Birka, i was wondering if you knew anything about that. Bazubands at Birka would make some sence i suppose when you consider the lamella from there,but Norman does not provide documentation about his findings.
Normans Silk Road site diecusses them, he mentions a possible pair in the 8th century, and also mentions a pair found at Birka, i was wondering if you knew anything about that. Bazubands at Birka would make some sence i suppose when you consider the lamella from there,but Norman does not provide documentation about his findings.
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White Mountain Armoury wrote:Normans Silk Road site diecusses them, he mentions a possible pair in the 8th century, and also mentions a pair found at Birka, i was wondering if you knew anything about that. Bazubands at Birka would make some sence i suppose when you consider the lamella from there,but Norman does not provide documentation about his findings.
--Hmmmm I donno, thats news to me.'
I need to check out Norman's site and then check with the local 'Birka Authority" but I am willing to bet that she hasnt heard of them either (and she has bascially cataloged most of the graves)
I will get back to you if I find anything positive and as always thanks for the info.
Halv
I found what your refering to so I sent him an email, it follows:
Hey Norman
Long time no 'see'
Question for you
At http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus ... age10.html you say:
In Central Asia these arm defenses either developed into or were replaced by Bazubands (see below) but a version remained in use in India until modern times. This Indian version has the bands without overlap, attached to each other with sections of maile (two of these Indian lower arm defenses made of splints attached by maile are illustrated here as #1 and #3).
These defenses were also carried by the Migration Era Silk Road Nomads into Europe in the West (a set was found at Birka in Scandinavia), where modified versions continued in use into the 15th century, and were the basis of most, if not all, styles of Japanese lower limb defenses.
First off, are you referring to splint armour or bazubands being found at Birka? (I am slightly confused by what exactly is trying to be presented in the above paragraph as it is between the two topics)
Either way what is your source on that?
Thanks for your time
Halvgrimr from the Armour Archive
Hey Norman
Long time no 'see'
Question for you
At http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus ... age10.html you say:
In Central Asia these arm defenses either developed into or were replaced by Bazubands (see below) but a version remained in use in India until modern times. This Indian version has the bands without overlap, attached to each other with sections of maile (two of these Indian lower arm defenses made of splints attached by maile are illustrated here as #1 and #3).
These defenses were also carried by the Migration Era Silk Road Nomads into Europe in the West (a set was found at Birka in Scandinavia), where modified versions continued in use into the 15th century, and were the basis of most, if not all, styles of Japanese lower limb defenses.
First off, are you referring to splint armour or bazubands being found at Birka? (I am slightly confused by what exactly is trying to be presented in the above paragraph as it is between the two topics)
Either way what is your source on that?
Thanks for your time
Halvgrimr from the Armour Archive
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John S. you are right - at the picture displayed "bazuband" from Sakhnovka(not far from Kiev) - and it dating 1200 - 1240
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