Period gamb..gamb...uh QUILTED cuisses

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:34 am

Ok, so I don't know how to spell it or pronounce it, but I need some pics of period padded cuisses.

I also would love to have a description about how they are made and how the knee cop and strapping are attached. Does anyone know of a site that has this information?

Thanks so much!
Cat

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:38 am

Hi,

IIRC Master Paul's "Basic Armouring" has a pattern in it. I don't know whether it is based on any historical precedents or just his interpretation. The whole manual can be downloaded at http://www.brighthelm.org

Cheers,
William

Saint-Sever · Post by **Saint-Sever** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:00 am

M-ski Bible, c. 1250 AD

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:41 am

William,
Thanks for the link. I can't seem to get it to load though. When I click the link to download, I just get a blank window. Not sure what's wrong...

Saint-Sever,
Thanks for the pic. Were these made to fit loosely? They look kind of baggy in the pic. Also, how far down on the leg should they come? Just past the knee, or mid calf? Were these made in a solid tube shape, or did they lace up somewhere?

Thanks so much,
Cat

MacGowan Metals · Post by **MacGowan Metals** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:16 pm

Cat,
PM me your email address. I'll send you the PDF file directly.

Jason

Ceddie · Post by **Ceddie** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:55 pm

Here is one of the best looking, most logical examples I've seen

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:23 pm

Here are some of the nicest detail pics I've ever seen of gamboised cuisses (see below). Yeah, I've posted them before, and here they are again!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/f ... uisse1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/f ... uisse2.jpg

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:22 pm

Ceddie, you are too kind.

Tim, thanks for those images. I apologize if you had posted them for me before. They look kind of familiar, so maybe you did. Although I can't really tell what's going on with the knee cop and cuisse in the first pic, I can see how the cuisse is made at the bottom. That helps alot!

Thanks so much.
Cat

Sixtus_Goetz · Post by **Sixtus_Goetz** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:31 pm

I have it on my armour @ home site... here's the link

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/s ... Armouring/

Cheers

Sixtus

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:03 pm

Thanks so much for the link. For some reason, I cannot seem to download the whole thing (a couple pf people have emailed it to me as well). I get all 116 pages, but only pages 1,3, and 116 actually have something on them. Ah well, I think with the pics that have been provided, I can re work my pattern to make it look similar. The attachment points are another matter, but I will keep looking around to see what I can find.

Thanks again,
Cat

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:26 am

Gamboised + plug in your French = gamm-bwaahzzd, with the bwaah a little bit throaty, broad A like father rather than short A like cat. Both syllables having the same stress is seriously Frenchy, but you know what the English ear, that searches for stressed syllables, does to French words.

But I'm happy with things as long as people know that the refrain of Lady Marmalade is the most execrably awful, ungrammatical and peculiar French ever visited upon an unsuspecting world, and that correct French would still have scanned pretty well.

Who was Lady Marmalade bedding that she would address with the formal "vous"?! The King of France?

"A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again."

--Alexander Pope

Largely sobered, I eschew that wretched song, written by somebody with two semesters of French, and those long ago.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:21 am

Tim, fabulous detail pics there. I've been slowly making a set of gamboised cuisses with splinted leather on top, inspired by another armorer's sketch but with no solid documentation- until now. Do you have any more context info for these pics, or know what book they are from?

Klaus

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:47 pm

Klaus, I'll scare up the info for you. They are from an obscure 1970'a era Arms and Armor Annual; an article on an Italian Knight from the 1340's (?). Feel free to bug me if I forget...

Cheers,
Tim

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:57 pm

Danke. For purposes of the ongoing project, I am satisfied enough that these are taken from a period source, but it's always nice to be able to fully document things

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:51 pm

The article that presented these images is

Colaccio Beccadelli: an Emilian Knight of about 1340
by Lionello Giorgio Boccia and Eduardo T Coelho.

It is part of a collection of articles that comprise the following publication

Arms And Armor Annual/Volume One:
Thirty Outstanding Articles on Weaponry
by Leading Arms and Armor Historians of the World
edited by Robert Held
(c) 1973 by Digest Books, Northfield Illinois
ISBN 0-695-80407-3 (paperback)/0-695-80435-9 (clothbound)

Which I am fortunate enough to have a copy of...

+++++++++

The first illustration (with the rowel spur) is from Colaccio Beccadelli's funerary stone which is located in the church of Saints Nicholas and Domenic in Imola, a little town in central Italy. The monument was carved by Bettino da Bologna. Beccadelli died in 1341.

The other illustration is from Mars on Giotto's Campanile (part of the Duomo to Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence, Italy.

And this third one is from The Crucifixion by Vitale de Balogna, c. 1350-1355. Not a gamboised cuiise per se, but a cool inside view of another leg harness from the period.

Cheers,
Tim

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:29 pm

That's actually a link to one of the pictures you already posted.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:22 am

Indeed! Sorry, I fixed the link.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:12 am

That's neat. The cross-strap arrangement on all of these knee cops is very interesting. The book, by the way, appears to be easy to get- I searched by the ISBN on addall.com and found more than a dozen copies on sale by various bookstores, some as low as $7. I'm so there.

Klaus

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:55 am

No kidding about availability; I saw a copy of that Annual for sale at our city library just the other day. I already had my copy, so I let it be, figuring another person would need it more than I. Much of the Annual is on the subject of various fine firearms, and most of that is fine firearms of post-period date. Does not this Annual have an article on early airguns entitled "Napoleon Was Not Afraid of It"? (Primarily because of its modest hitting power for its bore, and its slow rate of fire, what with the necessary pumping beforehand.)

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:50 am

Well, I managed to order my copy for about 10.50 including postage, which to me is worth it for just the one pertinent article. No subsequent volumes in this series appear to have been published.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:10 pm

I'd say the article is worth 10 bucks and change. Congrats on finding it!

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Agreed; congrats.