14 cent. sword belts

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:45 pm

Greetings all. I am making a scabbard and belt for a friend and need any documentation, pics, carvings etc that shows the rigging for a 14th/15th century harness. I have seen the line drawing design for scabbard/belt making thats been floating around here but I am not sure if that is an earlier period rig or if it would be applicable for 14th cent.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Greenshield

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:03 pm

Try "gothic eye" it has many pics of tomb efigies.

Also there is the "Gaston Pheobus, Book of the Hunt"

but thats hunt clothes and belts with trousses on em.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:55 pm

Check the "What is this dude wearing" topic, for one example.

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:42 am

No real help in the Whats This dude Wearing section. Just alot of mumbo jumbo about a muscled breast plate and a pommel shot, thats about it.

Greenshield

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:03 pm

OH and Raymond the quiet has a nice replica of the Edward TBP belt

Armoured Air Bear · Post by **Armoured Air Bear** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:17 pm

Right now I'm starting to make several tooled leather belts. some just waist belts some sword/dagger belts. I got my tooling designs from an effigy book I own. It has line drawings of many of the 14th century knightly effigies, and has great detail. If I had it at my house right now I'd give you the name of it. Probably next week sometime.

like Murdock said as well- look at Gothic eye, and Gason Phoebus. they have a lot of belts.

Hope this helps,

Aaron

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:43 pm

and i cannot find my link to Gothic eye anywhere.

And i'm not that slow.

i just have no time......

and i'm slow

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:49 pm

http://www.gothiceye.com/

found it!!

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:53 am

Gothic Eye is nice but lacks the needed details or close up shots.

C

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:26 pm

What exactly are ya looking for?

There is a marked lack of close ups of belts.

I found this trying to figure out the sheath attachments on the plaque belts.

I can dig better if i know what i'm looking for.

Armoured Air Bear · Post by **Armoured Air Bear** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:35 pm

Murdock- find some dtails of some cool toolings show it to me and I'll make you one if ya want. I got to make one for rob too so why not. I'll have a belt making weekend soon.

Aaron

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:53 pm

I'm looking for examples of how the scabbards were/are attached to the belt and any differences in style. The pics of Albion scabbards are a great help but I believe they are more 1100's-1200's designs.

C

cristofre fortescu · Post by **cristofre fortescu** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:32 am

Sir Lex may have something. He is going to Crown with me.

Chris

Marshal · Post by **Marshal** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:26 pm

greenshield wrote:No real help in the Whats This dude Wearing section. Just alot of mumbo jumbo about a muscled breast plate and a pommel shot, thats about it.

Greenshield

Go to the link in the initial post, it has detailed close-ups of the effigy, including front and side views of the plaque belt. For instance

http://www.progsoc.org/~elden/ravens/ga ... itemId=660

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:04 pm

Air Bear i have the knives and scabbards book now

unfortuneately i can't post the pics from it

As i have no scanner

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:16 pm

I can't recall if folks have explored this option here yet or not, but in puttering through Dress Accessories I found this:

The text that accompanies it speaks of another quite similar metal find (which I didn't find the picture of yet; there is, however, a color photo of the subject of this redrawing in the color plates section) and the authors state, "The tab was probably to hold a sword..."

So there's one viable theory -- that the reason we're not seeing the complicated scabbard mounts is because there was a fashion to forgo them for a period of time. Perhaps scabbards were bound through a simple hole in a piece of metal belt furniture...? We know that purses were hung in a similar way (among others), so would it work for the heavy object like a sword? I don't know.

Just wanted to throw it out there for possible discussion.

-Tasha

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:19 pm

"so would it work for the heavy object like a sword? I don't know. "

Swords aren't all that heavy. My Albion is only about 2 and a half lbs and is a full on hand and a half war sword.

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:00 am

Sounds even more viable, then, that theory. Thanks, Murdock.

-Tasha

Armoured Air Bear · Post by **Armoured Air Bear** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:18 am

Heres the book. Sorry it took so long to get the name to you.

Medieval arms armor A pictorial Archive -By:J.H.Hefner-Alteneck

it has some good line drawings of mabey 20-30 effiegies of the period so it shows good sword belt detail and some plaque belt and tooled belt detail.

hope this helps,

Aaron

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:53 am

" Sounds even more viable, then, that theory. Thanks, Murdock. Smile"

Yeah i think you've got something there

Malachiuri · Post by **Malachiuri** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:22 pm

Heh... the fun part of posts like this is that after Cam put this up half of Glen Abhen squires all burst info flames wondering who was getting knighted.

Hell I even got 2 emails from people here.

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:38 pm

LOL! Actually the 14th century scabbard I'm making is for Sir Elisar.

However, I did have the pleasure of making our newest knight's (Sir Ryan) scabbard. Funny how things turn out. BTW here is a pic for those interested in seeingthe work.

BTW, how are things up there in Calontir?? Will we be seeing you at GW??

Cam

Malachiuri · Post by **Malachiuri** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:23 pm

Nice work man!

I need to pick your brain about the project, I have to do one for myself soon.

You bet I'll be at GW, come look for me in Calontirland. My home is always your home.

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:40 am

OH NO!!!

Gothic Eye is not working!!!!!!!

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