Help make my new kit better.

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:38 pm

This is my old kit. Sasuke did it for me (I bought the Corizzina from someone else, Sasuke helped me fit the rest of the kit for me), the helm is one of WMA's first (if not THE first) kettle helms. Thats Steve (Fourth Armoury's) rivited chain shirt.

[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/oldkit.jpg[/img]

My new kit is still shooting for later 14th century Burgundy (keeping up with my SCA'dian name and CoA).

With Eric from James River Armoury, Maxim from Wild Armoury, Chris from Find-It Armoury and our very own Mad Matt this is this is the start of my new kit:

Helm is a mid 14th century bascient by Wild Armoury:
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/helm.jpg[/img]

Breast plate is by Mad Matt (based on a Churburg 14):
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/chest.jpg[/img]

Shoulders by Maxim:
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/spaulders.jpg[/img]

I have two sets of arms and legs, one from Eric one from Maxim:

[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/arms.jpg[/img]

[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/legs.jpg[/img]

and of course full finger gaunts by Maxim (I also have a backup pair of mittens from Eric):

[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/gaunts.jpg[/img]

I am wearing a flat ring, rivetted shirt (which is a little long and too long in the sleeves, but provides a perfect source for a replacement aventail):
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~evil_merlin/armour/chain.jpg[/img]

What do you think thus far? Suggestions? Changes?

I'd like to hear from anyone that can help me make this another bang up kit.

I'll

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:41 pm

PS: Don't even ask about my soft kit yet... I ain't got one.

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:54 pm

I think you're well on your way. Do you have greaves yet? Any chance for a pic of the new kit all put together and on you as it is now?

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:10 pm

No greaves yet. Will have fully cased greaves to match the legs when I can afford them and Maxim can do them for me.

The armour has not been delivered yet, so no pictures with it on me as of yet.

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:59 am

What about a gambeson or some sort of padded garment to wear with (over? under?) that mail?

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:06 am

Under the mail.

Working that one out now.

I have a VERY nice one from Klaus, but its silk, and more of a dress type than something I want to wear under armour.

When Rhiannon returns from Pennsic, she will be working on a linen/cotton one for me.

Blackoak · Post by **Blackoak** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:06 pm

Can't wait to see it all together. Have you started getting your accessories together, ie your belt, pouch, etc? It is generally the little things that make a kit unique.

Uric

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:26 am

Blackoak wrote:Can't wait to see it all together. Have you started getting your accessories together, ie your belt, pouch, etc? It is generally the little things that make a kit unique.

Uric

Yeah I have most of that stuff from my old kit.

About all that I currently need is a good pair of shoes/boots.

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:40 am

No comments from the peanut gallery? I know you are out there!

Galfrid atte grene · Post by **Galfrid atte grene** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:48 am

Is there any particular art or monument you are using as a reference?

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:04 am

Galfrid atte grene wrote:Is there any particular art or monument you are using as a reference?

No, I'm using a conglomeration of art and monuments dated 1360-1380 as a basis, but the last thing I want to do is "copy" any said monument. After all the folks that have monunments and such were typically filthy rich and I'm not going for that, I'm trying to shoot for a middle income knight. Not quite lower class, but most assuredly not rich.

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:08 am

Rubbish. Shyte. Complete garbage. YOu cannot wear this stuff. Send it to me, I'll dispose of it, and you can go get a nice covered plastic breastplate.

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:17 pm

That being said I do have one of Sir Gaston's plastic corrazina kits.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:29 pm

Guillaume, welcome back to the mafia! (You can never really leave, of course.

) My sense is that the bascinet with the bretache is more likely to be German or Northern Italian and a generation earlier than the rest of your kit. If you are portraying a less well-to-do squire from the low countries circa 1380, you can probably get away with it as a man whose armor would be a budget-conscious hodgepodge- a helmet picked up here, a pair of legs there, varying ages and sources. If you want to be a fashionable and well-equipped member of the knightly class, however, with custom harness, set your sights on a backpoint bascinet with a side-pivoting pigface to match your limb defenses.

Klaus

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:55 pm

Thanks Kalus, its good to be back.

Since my "persona" is Burgundy, the Germanic influences would have very much existed... And yes, I'm most assuredly portraying a less well to do... Mayhap a bit earlier than 1380... maybe more 1360-ish.

Once I get all my kit, if I find I really like the helm, I'll have Maxim make me another bacinet with the klappvisor.

I honestly find the whole "perfect kit" thing a bit much. Everyone has one, and in the thick of it, the high borne were not the only ones fighting... More people need to play that middle class, the squire perfectly content helping his lord on the field. Thats more my playing style too...

Klaus the Red wrote:Guillaume, welcome back to the mafia! (You can never really leave, of course. ) My sense is that the bascinet with the bretache is more likely to be German or Northern Italian and a generation earlier than the rest of your kit. If you are portraying a less well-to-do squire from the low countries circa 1380, you can probably get away with it as a man whose armor would be a budget-conscious hodgepodge- a helmet picked up here, a pair of legs there, varying ages and sources. If you want to be a fashionable and well-equipped member of the knightly class, however, with custom harness, set your sights on a backpoint bascinet with a side-pivoting pigface to match your limb defenses.

Klaus

Gaston de Clermont · Post by **Gaston de Clermont** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:11 pm

My focus is also Burgundian, but closer to the end of the 14th century and a bit wealthier. Hopefully some of the pictures I've collected and my musings on the subject will be helpful:
http://burgundianhours.blogspot.com/sea ... l/Burgundy
It's likely that in your era you'd be most closely tied to the French fashions, so this is probably applicable:
http://burgundianhours.blogspot.com/200 ... ction.html

Burgundy spanned parts of the Holy Roman empire, parts of eastern France, Flanders, Belgium, Holland, and Zeeland. What part exactly you're from will change some of the flavor of your kit, though the differences are generally quite small.

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:06 pm

Many thanks Gaston.

Nice to find a fellow Burgundian, even if you are a rich snob.

I like the different colour knees... I wonder if they were plated?

audax · Post by **audax** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:16 pm

Gilding was very popular for the elite.

Martel the Aspiring Burgundian Elitist Snob

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:19 pm

Gold-colored poleyns seem very common in ms images.

William Frisbee · Post by **William Frisbee** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:28 pm

Very interesting, and more food for thought...

Maybe I'll get a pig nose bascinet sooner than I thought...