Hauberk questions

Wilhelm zu Eltz-Kempenich · Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:33 pm

As of now, my hauberk is waist length, and will hopefully be down to my knees. Here are my questions:

1) Should I add an expanding row at the waist to allow for more room so I can spread my legs, or no?

2) Which is best, a straight split front and back, or 45 degree splits?

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:38 pm

1) I never added expanding rows at the waist for leg movement, the split will do that for you. On the other hand, if you need it for belly expansion that's another thing.

2) I am far from an expert but I have never seen 45 degree splits at the bottom of hauberks, always straight ones.

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Wilhelm zu Eltz-Kempenich · Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:45 pm

Thanks! No, the belly aint a problem (i'm only 110#)! Actually I have seen 45's but was curious about them.

3) How many rings wide should the split be? I'm guessing about 3.

Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:01 pm

It should only be one ring wide. That is, the "missing" linking ring.

Why would a gap be a good idea?

Effingham

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:12 pm

I suspect many of the 45 splits you refer to are actually straight splits which pull apart under the weight of the mail. I prefer using expansions for 5 or 6 inches over the hips to make the split hang straight. A ring or two per row is adequate.

Vladimir_Derkach · Post by **Vladimir_Derkach** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:58 pm

ahh, i was gonna make a knee lenght hauberk, but got lazy and its gonna be a haubergoon down to the thighs plus dags. i am almost done, just need to add about 6 inches lenght, the dags, and the sleeves. i am hoping i can gewt this done in FRI and SAT since i need it for school on monday. another reason y i dropped the knee lenght idea. but go ahead, if u wanna make it knee lenght.

out of curiousity, ur a mailler, have u ever checked out www.mailleartisans.org ? great place for maille, tons of articles and tutorials and like 300 something different weaves. its awesome

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:36 am

http://www.mailleartisans.org/articles/articledisplay.cgi?key=6844 is a direct link to a M.A.I.L. article I wrote on this topic. Scroll down to "Options For The Body Barrel" for my take on expansions in hauberk skirts (I like them too). They address a problem in divided mail skirts; they need a little extra to compensate for mail's habit of not hanging straight if it's laid out in a freehanging square, but to contract into a tapered configuration.

[This message has been edited by Konstantin the Red (edited 11-27-2003).]

ArtemisGreen · Post by **ArtemisGreen** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 2:29 pm

Hehe.
I love the article about getting in and out of your hauberk. I always use a friend to help me, so I dont look like a fool crawling on the floor, scooting backwards out of this steel sweater!

Wilhelm zu Eltz-Kempenich · Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:00 pm

i got it all figured out so i dont look *much* like a fool. just bend all the way over and shake and pull it off. let the weight do the work.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:38 pm

Methinks your hauberk may be a little too tight, M'lord. You should just be able to shuck it by bending way down and doing the shimmy.

ArtemisGreen · Post by **ArtemisGreen** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:40 pm

Actually... it is.
I made it that way on purpose to tell you the truth. I don't have any padding for it yet, so I wanted to be able to wear it without it looking like it was made for someone 2x my size.
That... and I have this giant of a friend who, whenever he wears the maille that I make, complains about how small it is, then insists (whines like a little girl) that he wear it while we fight. Then, he blows holes in it, some on the 45 degree seams (which are evil to repair). Sooo. I've resorted to making things small. Really small. So small, he can't squeeze in!

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:24 pm

I say hello to your big friend...

...and now that I've got his attention, I tell him he should only make his own mailshirt -- and you can help him, Artemis. Then your giant friend can use mail as it was intended, rather than sausage-stuffing himself into undersized shirts. Don't enable him any more: teach. Insist he do it right, that he may be happier in the end. Accept no excuses.

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ArtemisGreen · Post by **ArtemisGreen** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:03 pm

I already taught him, and even offered to help make his shirt. He's just too lazy to take the time. He made a 6" square of maille and decided that it was too much work.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:19 am

Twist his arm.

Twist it repeatedly.

Especially since he's already gotten a start. Make it a friends-over-to-help-weave thing. Get in his face with such powerful willingness to help that he cannot well refuse you.

If he wants to have the reward, it's time for him to suck it in and pay the dues, and you can tell him I said so. I wouldn't accept any answer but "Yes." No more immaturity out of him about it, and you can tell him I said that, too.

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Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:26 am

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">i got it all figured out so i dont look *much* like a fool. just bend all the way over and shake and pull it off. let the weight do the work.</font>

I've seen a 14th century picture of a guy doing exactly that, so I'd say your bending over qualifies as living history.

Is it rivetted or butted mail? If the latter, you'll probably want to reinforce the top of the split (in the mail skirt) by doubling or trebling the ring there.

Good luck and remember: chicks dig mail.