Deed of arms regarding pie

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:22 pm

Master Thomas Penyngton and I had a scrap:

I am cross posting this to the combat forum, becuase it turned into combat.

Nissan maxima:
The fairest pie in the world is Pecan Pie. If any warrior care to dispute this fact, then come find me on the battlefield and I will prove your error on your body through combat.

If I am victorious you must swear that Pecan pie is the fairest, most delicious pie in all creation. If I fall, I will try the pie you love best and mayhap my opinion will be swayed.

Pie wills it!

Thomas Penyngton :
Well, Nissan, if you are going to Foxhunt, I'll challenge you. I'll bring a CBPP and you bring a regular pecan pie. whoever wins, gets both.

Nissan maxima:
I'll be there and I'll bring pie and happily fight about it, but it doesn't make internally consistent sense for the winner to take the pies.

If I understand the medieval challenge format regarding judicial combat to prove what is best, or fairest, the loser has to take the the winner's pie, eat it and like it.

Pie!

Oh, and if I am the challenged party I get to pick weapons. Since I don't have a giant cake (pie) knife, lets do counted blows with greatswords.

Thomas Penyngton :
Nissan and I met in a contest of arms over the Controversy of the Pies at the Fox Hunt held in Foxvale this past Saturday.

Master Einar Haakonsson served as King of Arms, and Baron Etienne de las Roches acted as herald. Sgt. Kenwrec Wulfe served as my second.

The Dreadlord and I agreed that the contest should take place with greatswords, to strive without break until one or the other of us should submit, or the King of Arms should call an end, declaring that honour had been fulfilled. It was decided that the winner should present a piece of his pie to the loser, should there be one, and the loser should declare it's worth.

After paying respects as fitting, and after being exhorted to end this controversy without violence, the which we both rejected, the King of Arms called for us to lay on, and we set about lustily to debate the merits of the pies, with greatswords.

There was a short respite due to an armour failure, after which the fighting resumed, until I declared that I had had enough, being bested by Nissan.

Nissan graciously served a slice of the pecan pie to me, with a tall glass of milk. After sampling it, I happily declared it pie of pies. After this, both pies were eaten by all concerned. As Nissan had bested me, I offered a second chocolate bourbon pecan pie to him to take home for his lady, which he graciously accepted.

It is well that we do not judge matters in the manner of the ancient greeks, who would decide some question by the numbers of those who stood for or against it-- for of those who partook of the pies, it appeared that the preference ran strongly for the chocolate bourbon pecan pie, even such that much of the regular pecan pie remained long after the other had been consumed.

As for me, I shall respect the judgement of God.

Nissan Maxima:
After due consideration, my opinion is that Master Thomas is correct and that Chocolate Bourbon Pecan Pie is best.

As Thomas told me, Pecan Pie is right goode, but few indeed are the things that cannot be improved byy adding Chocolate and Bourbon.

I am moved to wonder at the possibility of Chocolate Bourbon Bacon Pecan Pie?

Two minutes? Certes? I had thought it about a week at least.

Thomas Penyngton :
I got a video up-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNamN_OSaqM

Man, youtube crapifies video. For a limited time you can see a somewhat better version at:

https://webshare.uchicago.edu/users/ted ... 20arms.mp4

If that's not playing well, I'd suggest downloading the file to play locally.

Sorry, there's lots of wind noise. If you want to skip straight to the fighting, go to around 1:50. The music you can (barely) hear in the background is my wife, playing the viol.

Nissan hits like a girl.

thomas p

I like pie.
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Proxus · Post by **Proxus** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:32 pm

GOD SO AWESOME!!

I can't wait to be healthy enough to fight and affluent enough to travel somewhere to meet on the field and discuss the merits of my favorite pie!!!!!

SO AWESOME!!

>>text fails me in conveying my emotion and enjoyment<<

Brother Logan · Post by **Brother Logan** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:45 pm

PIE? pie is CRAP as all worthies know! Flan is the King of all dainties! :lol:

Cheers,
Leo

PS well fought and most enjoyable!

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:51 pm

Brother Logan wrote:PIE? pie is CRAP as all worthies know! Flan is the King of all dainties!

Cheers,
Leo

PS well fought and most enjoyable!

Heritic!

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:10 pm

Ha, ha, ha! Ah, man... I could read threads all day titled "Historical precedents for SCA Combat" or "I hit him HARD to prove a point....." They really fuddle with my vision of what I'm even trying so hard to put together a suit of armor and a decent set of garb for!

But when I see a thread like this, even every once in a long while, it makes me wipe away all doubt.

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:42 pm

THAT was great! I don't think I have ever had Pecan Pie. I'll have to correct that. I'm a fan of traditional warm apple-pie (a-la-mode if possible) and Chocolate pie if cold. I'm not certain that I want to test my faith in which is best against Nissan though.

Sean

talaananthes · Post by **talaananthes** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:51 pm

Great read and well done! And yay for both pecan pie and Derby pie, for both are most excellent!

audax · Post by **audax** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:55 pm

Well and goodly done!

Brother Logan · Post by **Brother Logan** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:40 pm

Nissan Maxima wrote:
Brother Logan wrote:PIE? pie is CRAP as all worthies know! Flan is the King of all dainties!

Cheers,
Leo

PS well fought and most enjoyable!

Heritic!

Me? a HERITIC! I just spent seven months in Otreamer, crusadeing for the MOST HOLY ORDER OF THE SAINTED FLAN! Keep your peasant food, your weak taste buds probably can't appreciate the delicate complexity of the MOST HOLY FLAN! I thumb my nose and call your piddly pie a silly thing!
With all due respect

Leo

(yes this is a rather lame attempt to get Nissan over to Drachenwald for some stick swinging :oops:

)

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:02 pm

From your lips to Gods ears. There is some possibility of a trip to Switzerland, with little or no notice.

Oh, and flan is just sweetened snot.

J.G.Elmslie · Post by **J.G.Elmslie** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:37 pm

ah, you poor, misguided individuals.

there is only One True Pie.

Our Baker, thou art in Melton Mowbray,
Blessed be thine pies.
Thine dinner done.
On earth as it is in Leicestershire...

but apart from that, interesting viewing... thankyou for posting it up.

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:56 pm

This deed was a joy to witness...and CBPP is, indeed, very good!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:58 pm

thomas penyngton · Post by **thomas penyngton** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:19 pm

Suzerain: what the hell is that, a haggis?? that's just scary looking.
(might be better w/chocolate and bourbon, though... )

I must say I greatly enjoyed the fighting. It just feels to me much more like what a deed may have been like, more so than counted blows. The video to me just doesn't look as intense as it felt. I guess that's always the case for fighting videos.

(Nissan told me basically that he used to think of recreations of 14th C. deeds as effete "pussy" activities, 'til his fight w/Sir Bryce at Blackstone (do I have that right?); he's learned better.)

I had a couple of goals for the fight... one was to pull out Nissan's dagger and gack him with it... he told me at the beginning that he was wearing the other weapons but wouldn't use them, so I figured I wouldn't either. The other was to grab his sword while I hit him in the back. I sort of achieved that, right before the gauntlet problem. So, I felt like I sort of succeeded.

thomas p

So Nissan, who do you like, Cubs or White Sox... ?

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:41 pm

thomas penyngton wrote:I must say I greatly enjoyed the fighting. It just feels to me much more like what a deed may have been like, more so than counted blows. The video to me just doesn't look as intense as it felt. I guess that's always the case for fighting videos.

thomas p

So Nissan, who do you like, Cubs or White Sox... ?

From where I stood, the first half looked very intense indeed! The blows rained down from both of you and the call of "Good" was pretty numerous from both of you.

Roibeard MacNeill · Post by **Roibeard MacNeill** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:08 pm

A phenomenal contest indeed, good gentlemen...well done!

Pecan Pie is the best pie in the land...before and after this great contest of Arms. Flan, however, is a far more richly decadent dessert of which there is no parallel.

Nissan, It would be a great honour for me that one day we may trade blows in honorable, pain-laden, relentless combat so that Flan may be indeed called the greatest dessert ever made by the hands of man.

I shall also endeavour to make said flan as for me doing so is an integral part of this deed.

It might be sweetened "snot", but it's damn tasty.

J.G.Elmslie · Post by **J.G.Elmslie** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:20 pm

thomas penyngton wrote:Suzerain: what the hell is that, a haggis?? that's just scary looking.

Good greif, no.
it's a Melton Mowbray pork pie.
the absolute classic of its breed... the benchmark by which all other meat pies are set - a pie of such holy, iconic status that it is protected by law... much as Parmesan Cheese may only be made around parmesan, in italy, so may the Melton Mowbray Pie be only made near Melton.

http://www.mmppa.co.uk/

you've not lived till you've eaten a proper Melton Mowbray.
even if eating the whole one my kill you, too...

and I'm afraid I must decline the bourbon as an improvement. Caol Isla, single highland malt - though my experience with good quality bourbons is lacking.

The chocolate... that I cant disagree with. just not at the same time as the pie. afterwards.

Blackoak · Post by **Blackoak** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:04 pm

Thanks for sharing, that was inspiring.

Uric

herrhauptmann · Post by **herrhauptmann** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:15 pm

Suzerain, what are teh usual dimensions of that meat pie? 4 inches across (10cm)? 6 inches (15cm)?
How about height?
Because that thing looks amazingly filling, but I'd like to know how long I should fast to ensure adequate room in my stomach so that I can be assured to finish the whole thing.

Leo Medii · Post by **Leo Medii** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:45 pm

You should have used the Kanabo on him!

Kenwrec Wulfe · Post by **Kenwrec Wulfe** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:30 am

I am honoured to have stood as Master Thomas' second and to have borne witness to this great feat (and to have eaten pie!)

Brother Logan · Post by **Brother Logan** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:52 am

TO HELL WITH PIE! INFIDELS!!!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:56 am

Hummmm....I think it would have been good as the best of two out of three.

1. Fight with greatswords
2. Hammer-rock-scissors
3. Gentleman's duel with cream pies. 5 paces and throw.

-Aaron

J.G.Elmslie · Post by **J.G.Elmslie** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:07 am

herrhauptmann wrote:Suzerain, what are teh usual dimensions of that meat pie? 4 inches across (10cm)? 6 inches (15cm)?
How about height?
Because that thing looks amazingly filling, but I'd like to know how long I should fast to ensure adequate room in my stomach so that I can be assured to finish the whole thing.

oh, anything from 4cm across and 3cm deep, to giant monsters 20cm in diameter, or more, and 10cm deep.

but they are absolutely gorgeous - a deep pastry, filled with chopped (not minced) pork, salted and peppered, and then cooked and filled with a gelatine jelly.

very savoury indeed - cant beleive they're not more well-known.

Zubeydah · Post by **Zubeydah** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:58 pm

This made me giggle very much.....

...and go Google Chocolate Bourbon Pecan Pie recipes. Which I shall endeavor to replicate this weekend...

- zu

Wulfgar · Post by **Wulfgar** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm

Suzerain wrote:but they are absolutely gorgeous - a deep pastry, filled with chopped (not minced) pork, salted and peppered, and then cooked and filled with a gelatine jelly.

very savoury indeed - cant beleive they're not more well-known.

I had very tasty pork pie for lunch. They are my little taste of the UK in Aus.

Cisco · Post by **Cisco** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:53 pm

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Cornish Pasties are better than pork pies any day of the week.

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es02 · Post by **es02** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:44 am

Cisco wrote:<high>

Cornish Pasties are better than pork pies any day of the week.

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After my own heart you are

As for pecan pie sir you can keep it. Anyone who is anyone knows full well the best desert is a cornish icecream crowned with clotted cream.

white mountain armoury · Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:36 am

Wonderful deed !!!!

BobKnight · Post by **BobKnight** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:20 am

This is why I love this forum

RoaK · Post by **RoaK** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:38 am

Well done and met...

I'm suprised nobodys mentioned cream cheeze pie yet... the stuff is so good it's evil.