HELP ! Parents Problem ! !

Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:29 pm

Here's the situation.
I got myself an new sanding machine

And I use it for grinding and smoothing the edge.
When I use it , like any power tool , it lays some steel powder.
But it goes every where in the "garage"
And guess you dont like it.
My mother.
I admit that it lays this powder every where but I she know that I am protecting my self with " the thing the doctor put on their mouth "

But she is really mad and she said , until you find a way to organise it you will do ! NO MORE ARMOR !

You must help me to find a way to get rid of that or to do something . [img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/ubb/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/ubb/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

Or i'l have to use this grinding machine of mine that most scrap the piece that everything. The edge are dangerous with that and I know what I say.

PLZ help !

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Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:34 pm

Maybe some kind of big magnet to "catch" a part of the powder. That or a Shop-vac and hooking it up close to where most of the powder comes out?

Pad

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Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:41 pm

Firstly, if all you are using is a paper mask "the thing the doctor put on their mouth" that is not sufficient. You need to get a real respirator from the hardware store.

Second, there is not much that can be done as far as cleanliness goes. The best you can do is to creat some kind of dust collection system with a shop-vac (or a real dust collector) and plumb all of your equipment that makes dust to it.

And armour shop ranks amongst the top 10 dirtiest places in the world. If your parents aren't cool with their garage being turned into such a place you are kinda out of luck.

Perhaps they will let you build a "playhouse" in the back yard - your own shop?

Steve

Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:43 pm

I'l try the magnet I have one but not big and for the vaccum I'l inform myself about it.

And btw the sanding machine is the one with a long tube , I thnk it's 4 inch by 36 inch.

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OpForce · Post by **OpForce** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:03 pm

You might consider creating a smaller, enclosed, "sanding station" within the garage. You should be able to do this with some type of light frame and some old sheets. The trick is to make sure that the entire station is enclosed (even the top). Sanding is going to create dust...this should at least help you keep it confined to within the "sanding booth".

Hope This Helps,

Eric

mrks · Post by **mrks** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:42 pm

hi there

your mom is right.

you are doing yourself long term damage breathing bad fumes. you need a vacuum box setup. its not a actual vaccum in the box but a enclosed space that has a large fan attatched to it.

the fan pulls the air out of the box so fast the dust cant escape and is vented out a vent to the outside of your shop.

[img]http://tiarmour.com/grinder%20box1.jpg[/img]

you can use a cardboard box and ducttape with good results. a bathoom exhaust fan for $12 from homedepot will give enough draw to keep the dust down

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sir mrks

tiarmour.com ==>> maker of fine Titanium armour... please note I am not a period armourer I make high tech sport armour using nonperiod materials(titanium) for the type of stick fighting used in the sca.

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Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:26 am

Thanks alot for all the Idea , I will use mrks idea , Thank's !

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Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:43 am

ashfield, sounds like your using a belt sander. there is an openin on the back isnt there? should get a bag (made by same company that makes the sander) to be the dust collector

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Skillet · Post by **Skillet** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:37 am

you especially need something along these lines if you grind/sand right next to the air inlet of your house furnace like Sir Mrks.

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HugoFuchs · Post by **HugoFuchs** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:06 pm

I'll second the Respirator. Just think of each metal dust particle as a splinter of metal. Then inhale the splinters. Each splinter creates a scar. A wound which is open to infection. Eventually you get a condition known as 'grinders' phthisis'. Which is a variant of tuberculous fibrosis of lung.

Now, I have had similar problems with dust, so I draped material and made a cloth room. Just be sure to know where your sparks are going and keep a extinguisher near-by.
Oh, and make sure all your highly flammable liquids stay away from grinding, sanding and welding stations.

Good luck.

Wil · Post by **Wil** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:16 pm

My girlfriend just got me a brand new jigsaw for Xmas, it has an attachment right near the blade where you can plug in the hose for your shop vac and it will suck the sawdust/metal filings up as fast as you can cut. Perhaps you could shop around for a similar tool?

~Wil

Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:08 pm

Yea it's a "belt sander"
Sry but I will not be able to use mrks idea
because the belt sander is made like the letter : " L "

Let me 1 hour I'l come back with pics

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Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:31 pm

Here!
Take a look to these pick and tell me what I sould do.

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ashfield44/detail?.dir=/My+Photos&.dnm=dc03.jpg

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ashfield44/detail?.dir=/My+Photos&.dnm=cd1e.jpg

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ashfield44/detail?.dir=/My+Photos&.dnm=7775.jpg

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ashfield44/detail?.dir=/My+Photos&.dnm=26e1.jpg

Like you see , There is an little vacuum on the machine but only is I put it down and like you see all the powder is going to the left .
BTW that's why it cannot work for mrks idea but thx.

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----Ashfield

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:37 pm

Okay, the safety aspects are reasonably well covered, here. Good. Remember that you only get one set of lungs and you don't get to do "do-overs" when you mess them up.

The tiny metal splinters you breath in will do bad things. They get in your lungs and cut until they are encased in scar tissue. This can, over time, result in a very bad and very permanent shortness of breath. It won't get better after it gets bad.

Another little safety note is not to have piles of steel dust and aluminum dust collecting together. Several knifemakers who do aluminum handles have found out the hard way that powdered iron and powdered aluminum form thermite. Then, sparks from grinding steel end up with some burning thermite. I have heard of one guy who ended up with a hole burned in his concrete floor. After that, he always swept up his messes...

Finally, make sure that any tools you will use near the dust have totally enclosed motors. In use, an electric motor is a big electromagnet. If it is open to the air and the air is filled with steel dust, you can end up with a lot of metal where it will do a lot of damage to your tools. The result might even include fire. This also includes washers and dryers, if they are in the garage.

Power tools are dangerous, so be careful. Parents are also dangerous, so be careful with them, too.

-Patrick

mrks · Post by **mrks** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:44 pm

hi there

I am into modifying my environment.

If I were you I would make a seperate table/bench and with two levels. for using the top of the sander I would use the lower level withing the box and the wheel I would sit down or move the sander up to the upper level.

you can build an enclosed space around the sander and vent it outside using a fan and a flexible furnace vent.

for removing metal stock I would use a wheel grinder and do the deburring and smoothing with the sander. not sure what your setup is. I did look at the shop pics... nice shop. you need to add somehuge tools. the sander is a step in the right direction though. very nice size. I dig industrial equipment. hehe

I really would advise you to make a seperate bench platform for the sander and enclose it. cut a viewing area where you will be looking at your work as you use the sander. cover that hole with plex or lexan and then you dont have to use eye protection. if you vent the box properly you wont have to wear a mask or heavy canistered breather.

here is my latest solution to clean air: [img]http://tiarmour.com/hood%20for%20hal.JPG[/img]

good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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sir mrks

tiarmour.com ==>> maker of fine Titanium armour... please note I am not a period armourer I make high tech sport armour using nonperiod materials(titanium) for the type of stick fighting used in the sca.

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ArtemisGreen · Post by **ArtemisGreen** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:29 pm

I agree with all that. I noticed that you have the belt sander next to pet food and dishes. That's pretty dangerous to you and your pets. I always wear a big 3M respirator with clean filters when grinding, and I make sure that I sweep up very well before leaving the shavings. See, I pull our cars out of the garage before I work, then after finishing up, I pull them back in. The radiator fan on one of the cars is constantly running when the car is on, so I have to be very careful to sweep up so the dust won't get kicked up in the air when I pull them back in the garage.

Either get some kind of system to clean the shavings up, or take your grinder outside to work. I mount my bench grinder to my I-beam, so I can just pick it up and carry the I-beam outside and carry an extension cord out there. I still wear a respirator, but I don't have to clean up or filter the air! We have too many squirrels as it is...
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Artemis

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Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:05 pm

The only problem here is that from october to march here there's snow . . . haha

And for mrks Becaus i am not to goood in english I'l try to get traducting for what you said.

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mrks · Post by **mrks** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:30 pm

ok

english needs to be basic.

build a box made of cardboard and duct tape around the sander.

cut two rectangular holes in the box.

one is where your hands will do the work. tape a piece of cloth or thin leather over this hole and cut slits in it. you stick you hands in this hole through the slitted cloth flaps.

the other is a window. cover the open window with plexiglas or lexan. this is thick clear plastic sheet you can see through..

use a flexible vent tube connected to a fan at the end. the fan should suck the air out of the box. the fan should be located outside your house. when you grind carry the fan and vent tube outside and turn it on.

this will protect your lungs from bad dust and keep you shop clean.

hope this is easier to understand. sorry about making things hard.

I will see if I can take some more descriptive pictures later.

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sir mrks

tiarmour.com ==>> maker of fine Titanium armour... please note I am not a period armourer I make high tech sport armour using nonperiod materials(titanium) for the type of stick fighting used in the sca.

[This message has been edited by mrks (edited 01-26-2004).]

Ashfield · Post by **Ashfield** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:17 am

Thx

Ok now I under starnd good but the box must be really big if I want to grind a a breast or something like that.

I have an idea for that wait until 4PM I am out of school

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Alexandre---
----Ashfield