15th C. Thugz! Show us your kit!

Tomburr · Post by **Tomburr** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:25 pm

Let's see what you got- hard & soft kit, both. Give us work-in-progress types some inspiration, please.

Guillaume Beauvin · Post by **Guillaume Beauvin** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:00 pm

Tomburr wrote:Let's see what you got- hard & soft kit, both. Give us work-in-progress types some inspiration, please.

I'd snap a picture of me in skivvies, but that would frighten the poor children. In the meanwhile though, I'll look forward to all the spiff kits to inspire my progress (with a goal of a complete skin-out late 15thC outfit by the Meridian Coronation in april)

-Guillaume

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:57 pm

Well here is my "hard kit:"

I actually don't have a pic of my in my soft kit...

I am glad to see the 15th C Thugz label caught on though, never thought it would when I said it. Though I don't think I used the z...

edit** No I guess I did!
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ht=#946618
Man I'm soo ghetto...Yorkist Ghetto....

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:21 pm

Me as an archer

Civilian clothing:

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:31 pm

I will have to figure out a way to transfer it into a medium to post the image, but here is a link to a photo on facebook that is fairly recent.

http://www.facebook.com/#/photo.php?pid ... =627621808

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:37 pm

Right click the image, click "copy image location" (or properties if your browser doesn't have the former) and then paste here:

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak- ... 1_6500.jpg

Then highlight it and use the image tag above.

Should work...

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:41 pm

Thank you Charlotte, I am not tech savvy.

The primary difference in my kit now is that my pennon is a properly done one in silk and Gold Leaf by the archives Earnest Carruthers, my horse has a medieval bit (completed), and a proper bridle in process, and I wear my springsteel splints by Patrick Thaden more often just for convenience sake.

Other than a 'new' pollaxe dismounted, that pretty much is the only changes.

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:42 pm

No problem. Sometimes copying facebook images can be weird.

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:06 pm

Jeffrey Hedgecock

bairdec · Post by **bairdec** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:29 pm

If only modern thugz had that much style....

Jeffrey Hedgecock · Post by **Jeffrey Hedgecock** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:57 am

It's always been my hope to inspire people with what we do.

Some folks say "Oh, I'll never be able to do -that-....it's too hard, too expensive, too...whatever...",

but I've always wanted people to think "Oh, if -he- can do -that-, I can do it too! If somebody's done it...it's -possible-! It CAN be done!"

I really hope somebody can draw inspiration and encouragement from what Gwen and I have put together in my look. It is possible, affordable (if you're resourceful) and is incredibly rewarding when you get it together. It's not a "pie in the sky" goal, but fully feasible.

d-farrell2 · Post by **d-farrell2** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:07 am

Jeff - what are those axe heads made of and Who makes those... they look like they would be awesome trainers.

And here, to bring the bar down, is my contribution

(hopefully the images will appear correctly):

circa 1410-1420 northern Italian harness (mostly complete - have made some changes recently though):

early 15th C civilian kit (I've gotten a new hood to replace the one I am wearing - and ignore the sword.. it was to compensate for lack of dagger

):

mid 15th C northern Italian upper class/noble civilian kit (guy in the red on the left - this is being re-worked):

In all seriousness though, some of the folks who've already posted have been big inspirations and provided a lot of help (directly and indirectly). Hopefully, I'll look as snazzy one day

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:38 am

I think your kit looks very snazzy right now.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:45 am

These are my civvies:

Edit:

I forgot this one.

And the hard kit:

Vambraces still missing in these photos.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:51 am

Very cool! I've enjoyed watching your kit develop over the last couple of years.

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:11 am

If you don't think he's a thug, you haven't tried getting him to go to bed...

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:18 am

My late 15thc English lady impression from about 1480:

I also have an early 15thc French lady impression from about 1410:

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:29 am

Henry is probably the only child his age with a complete soft kit.

Looking spiffy Charlotte.

d-farrell2 · Post by **d-farrell2** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:45 am

chef de chambre wrote:I think your kit looks very snazzy right now.

Thanks, Chef. One of the things I am trying to do now is tweak the clothing I have and get the appropriate 'bling' to make the outfits come together. Part of that includes getting new shoes (probably a pair of pattens too) and a belt to wear with my civilian clothing - right now, my current belt and shoes are really beat up from WMA training. So much so that it kind of wrecks the look of those outfits.

for the harness - arms and maille sabatons are the next things on the list (in addition to a few tweaks here and there on stuff I have).

d'Antioche · Post by **d'Antioche** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:46 am

Whaddya mean, thugz?

[img]http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak ... 3196_n.jpg[/img]

........never mind.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:25 am

Well, something about stabbing the prostrate foe to death with a rondel dagger might be considered thuglike.

Cool!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:25 am

My kit is changing a lot. I've sewn up an arming coat and the kids are cutting it full of holes, attaching mail, etc... I'm working on fitting the greaves better, bringing up the flauds (so I can use my core more...it's historical. The flauds are NOT a skirt IMO), enclosing the vambraces, floating the elbows and rebraces, and pointing the entire thing.

And I need to buy hosen from Gwen.

It will look and feel better.

Basically make it more historical and lighter and easier to fight in and air conditioned.

Here is an older picture or two:

Milesent · Post by **Milesent** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:50 am

The 15th century is where fashion begins and ends, bay-beee!

<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/49489 ... 5c8eff.jpg">

<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2561/401 ... 910980.jpg">

Houpe! There it is! Me sporting the infamous "Cleft-a-Londe" houpelande made by our Needleworker's guild (myself included

)
<img src="http://barnesos.net/~polaris/Photos/200 ... 24_157.jpg">

<img src="http://barnesos.net/~polaris/Photos/200 ... 24_203.jpg">

The under-dress:
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3606/356 ... 7f1257.jpg">

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:55 am

Yay- Girl clothes!

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:56 am

Very nice!

I particularly like your application of the bend. Had you read Dave Keys article on bends in 'Dragon?'

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:58 am

Aaron wrote:My kit is changing a lot. I've sewn up an arming coat and the kids are cutting it full of holes, attaching mail, etc... I'm working on fitting the greaves better, bringing up the flauds (so I can use my core more...it's historical. The flauds are NOT a skirt IMO), enclosing the vambraces, floating the elbows and rebraces, and pointing the entire thing.

And I need to buy hosen from Gwen.

It will look and feel better.

Basically make it more historical and lighter and easier to fight in and air conditioned.

Here is an older picture or two:

I look forward to seeing your interpretation of the arming doublet 'cut full of hoolis', and finding out how it works for you.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:10 pm

Thank you Chef, it's thanks to guys like you and Jeff and others with your kind of attitude who made it possible for me to get this far.
What Jeff says is right. Anyone can get to a great standard with dedication, focus and patience.

And I have to say, I'm absolutely stunned by the dresses posted in this topic! I can't wait to see what's going to be posted next in this topic, it's great to see how the level is rising every time a topic like this is started.

d-farrell2 · Post by **d-farrell2** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:12 pm

you know, this thread doesn't have nearly enough crazy hats for this to be 15th C

aw, what the heck... some 'action shots' (not all in complete harness, though):

completing a takedown and going for my dagger (I'm in the red):

Christian Tobler and I exchanging blows with the spear at WMAW 2009 (read: him whooping me soundly):

in da face!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:13 pm

chef de chambre wrote:I look forward to seeing your interpretation of the arming doublet 'cut full of hoolis', and finding out how it works for you.

Thank you!

Originally I wanted to make button holes, but I got tired of sewing them. So I just quilted the arming coat and now I'm cutting a piece out of each of the one-inch square quilting "squares". It's a prototype in green. The real one will be in red.

I remember fighting at Pennsic with an arming coat that was two t-shirts thick and full of button holes. I was almost cold while fighting, the ventillation was THAT good.

I'm working on recreating that again, but better. I've got a progress thread that will be updated when there is documentational progress (harness on, and fighting in it).

With thanks,

-Aaron

d-farrell2 · Post by **d-farrell2** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:25 pm

Kaos wrote: And I have to say, I'm absolutely stunned by the dresses posted in this topic! I can't wait to see what's going to be posted next in this topic, it's great to see how the level is rising every time a topic like this is started.

yeah, I may have to use this thread to convince my wife that a 15th C noblewoman's dress is way hotter than a ren-faire pirate any day

'course, that would probably then mean I would have to make her a dress... hmm... maybe not such a good plan

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:14 pm

[quote="d-farrell2"

yeah, I may have to use this thread to convince my wife that a 15th C noblewoman's dress is way hotter than a ren-faire pirate any day

[/quote]

Oh please please do! I've been trying to convert people for years, but to no avail...

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:26 pm

d-farrell2 wrote: 'course, that would probably then mean I would have to make her a dress... hmm... maybe not such a good plan

If you're worried about the dresses, don't pick the hennin style I picked in my first photo.

The two dresses I'm wearing in that one photo were nothing compared to the effort it took to figure out HOW to make and then actually MAKE that hennin.

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:24 pm

Girl clothes- *SIGH* I can't even remember the last time I made girl clothes, seems I spend all of my time making boy clothes and horsie stuff. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, I really do like well dressed men and horses! But it would be nice to have the time to play around with a butterfly hennin or something. *sigh*

Nice job ladies, you look smashing!

Gwen

Milesent · Post by **Milesent** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:03 pm

For those looking for headdress help; you can get a copy of Lyonnete's Compleat Anachronist on 14th and 15th century hats and headdresses (with construction diagrams!) from the SCA Stock clerk

Plus there's always asking Lyonnete herself

https://stockclerk.sca.org/
It's issue CA0133 Headdresses of the 14th and 15th Centuries

d-farrell2 · Post by **d-farrell2** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Tasha K wrote:
d-farrell2 wrote: 'course, that would probably then mean I would have to make her a dress... hmm... maybe not such a good plan
If you're worried about the dresses, don't pick the hennin style I picked in my first photo. The two dresses I'm wearing in that one photo were nothing compared to the effort it took to figure out HOW to make and then actually MAKE that hennin.

yeah, I remembered reading the thread you started a little while back about it. It does look great though!

As for the dresses, it isn't so much fear of making them, it is that I already have a list the size of my arm. Though I kinda want to make one just to get the chance to play with tailoring (sooo much easier on someone else - I haven't made a form for myself yet...).

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