fencing terminology

bkillian · Post by **bkillian** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:27 am

For the life of me I can't remember what a behind the back thrust in fencing is called. Any of you folks remember?

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:46 am

bkillian wrote:For the life of me I can't remember what a behind the back thrust in fencing is called. Any of you folks remember?

I call it bloody ignorant! Do you mean the neuvieme?

sean of the chipendales · Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:07 am

I call it normal for those backstabbing, gay coward, wire weilding, doublet donning cupcakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I forgot whining.

Just kidding!! :lol:

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:38 am

I have teenaged students who would paste you right off the face of the earth!

sean of the chipendales · Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:52 am

Yes yes yes.........I know......you start their training at a young age.
So do'es the Catholic church.......... :twisted:

so they will be "Alejondro's army of alter boy choir-wire weenies"

Once again in jest........(whispers) cause its jest true... :twisted:

sean of the chipendales · Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:19 pm

Oooops,.......I really was just kidding, oh, and razzing the good Baron. Didnt mean to scare anyone away....... :oops:

Agnarr · Post by **Agnarr** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:04 pm

sean of the chipendales wrote:Oooops,.......I really was just kidding, oh, and razzing the good Baron. Didnt mean to scare anyone away.......

MORE MORE MORE!!!!! :twisted:

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:01 pm

sean of the chipendales wrote:Yes yes yes.........I know......you start their training at a young age.
So do'es the Catholic church..........

so they will be "Alejondro's army of alter boy choir-wire weenies"

No matter how many times you ask, Sean, the answer is still 'no'. NO TOUCH BAD TOUCH!

iomtalach · Post by **iomtalach** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:21 pm

"Disarm after the parade on the outside of the sword." According to Angelo.

F. Braun McAsh use to do this sometimes to show up the young punks...he modified it to use dagger in the off hand instead of a full disarm.

One of my cadets has three times try to use it in a tournament. It worked once...which was the one time he was able to complete the action without bursting out laughing first.

Dauyd · Post by **Dauyd** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:45 pm

Do you mean the move on the cover of this?:

http://revival.us/artofdueling-salvator ... s1606.aspx

I've used it a couple of times- it never seemed to me to really be a "behind the back" move, more of an exaggerated void of the left foot. It can work against an aggressive charge, as it takes you way offline, but if the opponent is able to stop in time it leaves you vulnerable. YMMV

Of course, I can't remember what he called it, and my manual seems to have hidden on me...

iomtalach · Post by **iomtalach** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:22 am

Dauyd wrote:Do you mean the move on the cover of this?:

http://revival.us/artofdueling-salvator ... s1606.aspx

I've used it a couple of times- it never seemed to me to really be a "behind the back" move, more of an exaggerated void of the left foot. It can work against an aggressive charge, as it takes you way offline, but if the opponent is able to stop in time it leaves you vulnerable. YMMV

Of course, I can't remember what he called it, and my manual seems to have hidden on me...

No, that's a different move. Inquatarta or scansa della vita, or with a lesser turn, the scanso della pied ...firm. Whatever that is in Italian, I forget.

The behind the back thing only appears with smallsword. You can't really do it with anything longer.

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:33 am

Do you mean the scansa de pie dritto, iomtalach? (Am I even remembering the right name for that?...)

Dante di Pietro · Post by **Dante di Pietro** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:49 am

Baron Alejandro wrote:Do you mean the scansa de pie dritto, iomtalach? (Am I even remembering the right name for that?...)

Scanso del pie dritto. Capoferro uses that term, as well as the scanso della vita. Fabris names identical techniques the girata of the left or right foot.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:06 am

Its called the "Scewer Dejour". Cause if you turn your back on me, that is what I am going to do. :twisted:

Dante di Pietro · Post by **Dante di Pietro** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:44 pm

InsaneIrish wrote:Its called the "Scewer Dejour". Cause if you turn your back on me, that is what I am going to do.

Are you referring to the cover picture on the Leoni book? The girata of the left foot (so named in Fabris), done in the correct context and in tempo, is a very useful technique that leaves you very safe upon completion. I have used it dozens of times in tournament settings and, while I have occasionally missed my target, I cannot recall a time where I was struck during its execution.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:14 pm

Dante di Pietro wrote:Are you referring to the cover picture on the Leoni book? The girata of the left foot (so named in Fabris), done in the correct context and in tempo, is a very useful technique that leaves you very safe upon completion. I have used it dozens of times in tournament settings and, while I have occasionally missed my target, I cannot recall a time where I was struck during its execution.

not specifically, I was more making light of turning your back on your opponent. As a general rule it is not a good idea.

welder · Post by **welder** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:28 pm

It's not a matter of turning your back. From Angelo:

http://www.fencingonline.com/swashbucklers/Angelo%20%20@%2025%250007.JPG

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