Atlantian Crown List

[WilliamThomas]

There seems to be a clear favorite. only nobody is telling who it is...

All I can say is thank goodness for late letters being accepted

[Sunniva_kyrre]

For those of us that are trying to get things organized for this weekend - Does this mean that you are in WT? I think I know who the rest are. Also does this mean we are up to over 8 again? Wish the list would be posted or folks would just say if they are or not, not going to change much either way really.

[Cian of Storvik]

Forwarded from the Merry Rose list. -Cian
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Greetings Unto the Populace of Atlantia,
It is Their Majesties wish that I post the list for Spring Crown Tournament. So without further adieu:

Count Sinclair Hawkins
Count Vlad Ivonivich Aleksandrov
Sir Bryan of Sacred Stone
Sir Theron Andronikos
Sir Afshin Darius
Sir Kieran Hunter
Baron Turgeis Hakonsson
Baron Mungoe McKlinchey

Always in Service,
Baroness Egia

[Diederich Von Basel]

Solid if smallish list. Was hoping to see his grace Cuan in it but with a little one myself, I can certainly understand the reasoning why not.

[B. Amos]

I have mixed feelings about summoning him but... DARK APPRENTICE! DARK APPRENTICE! DARK APPRENTICE!

[B. Amos]

I think Count Sinclair has a good chance in this one. especaly since he has either lost a lot of weight or my favorite theory is that he has managed to divide by mitosis in which case there are two skiny versions of him running around. Will both of him be allowed on the field at once or will he have to take turns with himself?

[WilliamThomas]

I think this crown is about matching styles and if we run this in the standard order of precedence fashion it would have-

1st Round
Count Sinclair Hawkins facing Baron Mungoe McKlinchey
Sir Bryan of Sacred Stone facing Sir Kieran Hunter

Count Vlad Ivonivich Aleksandrov facing Baron Turgeis Hakonsson
Sir Theron Andronikos facing Sir Afshin Darius

2nd Round
Winner of Count Sinclair/ Baron Mungoe fighting the winner of Sir Bryan/ Sir Kieran
Winner of Count Vlad/ Baron Turgeis fighting winner of Sir Theron/ Sir Afshin

3rd Round…

I have heard mixed messages if Vlad is able to fight. I personally hope he does fight I think he has done an AMAZING job as King we will see soon.

William

[BdeB]

Here at the Insider we predict that either one, or both, or neither of the finalists will have been to the final rounds of a Crown Tourney before.

Years ago Dammuth (Sir Brian) told me that the Quarter Finals of Altantian Crown should just be renamed "The Brian of Sacred Stone Memorial Round" because he couldn't count how many times he had gotten that far and no farther. I have a feeling he won't be saying the same thing this year.

He has looked very solid all through the winter and early spring season and has been doing well at large tournies like Candlemas and Ymir.

Count Sinclair is also a very strong favorite. I tried to interview him at Blackstone Raids about how strong he feels after loosing one metric Afshin, but he started asking me if I wanted to "Punch His Parrot" and that creeped me out enough that I had to just back away slowly...

[Palymar]

I got some pick up fights with Count Sinclair at Blackstone. He gave a very good accounting of himself and I very much enjoyed our passes.

I wish him the best of luck

[Dietrich von Stroheim]

Wow, you guys weren't kidding about the small lyst...I hope the rampant knee-cappings of last Crown didn't scare everyone off!

My bet for the finals is Sinclair vs Dammuth. They were a very close match a year ago, with Brian winning 2/3, but Sinclair has gotten in awesome shape since then and is hungry for this win.

I think this crown is going to go to Sinclair.

Vlad is one of the best glaive-fighters I've seen, but Brian is just so damn aggressive and explosive that he will just run him over. And his repertoire of shots come in at angles difficult for a poleman to block.

[Sayer Prikehert]

Only eight? They should do a round robin, then top two fight best of 3 or 5 or whatever.

[Cuan]

Since I will be acting MIC it would be improper for me to speculate on the outcome. His Majesty has yet to determine the size of the list fields or other format issues that could make a difference in who might be considered the favorite.

[BdeB]

Dagger Fight!!!

[BdeB]

I got some pick up fights with Count Sinclair at Blackstone. He gave a very good accounting of himself and I very much enjoyed our passes.

I wish him the best of luck

That reminds me, where do I send my lunch money to again???

[Palymar]

I got some pick up fights with Count Sinclair at Blackstone. He gave a very good accounting of himself and I very much enjoyed our passes.

I wish him the best of luck

That reminds me, where do I send my lunch money to again???

Donate it to Their Highness's Travel Fund

[Rutgur]

I got some pick up fights with Count Sinclair at Blackstone. He gave a very good accounting of himself and I very much enjoyed our passes.

I wish him the best of luck

That reminds me, where do I send my lunch money to again???

Donate it to Their Highness's Travel Fund

[BdeB]

Assuming it isn't random draw I have plotted out a normal double elim tree with the listed entrants. I am encasing it in carbonite and depositing it in my secret lair when I get back to the Cave. Once information from the site starts coming in I will compare it in real time against my predictions and relieve all on da Interwubs!!

[scahound]

A round robin would be very interesting
Kari

[Anthonye]

Only eight? They should do a round robin, then top two fight best of 3 or 5 or whatever.

By kingdom law Crown Tournament has to be double elimination. They can have each round be best 2 of 3 (among other things), but the overall tournament has to be double elim.

[Cuan]

Antonio:

The double elim rule simply means that one may not be eliminated with one loss. It is only a floor. A round robin with 8 fighters would easily satisfy the requirement if you ran everyone through until you were down to only one fighter without two losses. It might be exhausting, but it would be a valid Crown.

[Cuan]

And it is a Society rule - not just kingdom.

[Jean Paul de Sens]

And it is a Society rule - not just kingdom.

What?

HRH Jean Paul

[Cuan]

Last time I checked Corpora you cannot have a single-elim Crown, but that may have changed. Even in Ansteorra, when you do each round 2 out of 3 you are satisfying the requirement simply by giving a fighter two fights. The fact that it is against the same opponent is irrelevant.

[Jean Paul de Sens]

Only thing I have found is this:

9
IV. ROYALTY
A. Selection
1. Royal Lists must be conducted at a tournament announced in the kingdom newsletter as
being for that purpose. Crowns or Coronets who wish to conduct a royal list in a manner other than
individual combat must obtain the prior approval of the Board of Directors.
2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the
Royal Lists. Within ten business days after being declared victor in a Crown or Coronet Tourney, the Victor
and Consort must present to the Kingdom Seneschal proof that their memberships are current through at
least the end of the prospective reign. Positive confirmation consists of; a valid membership card, appearance
of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by
the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, receipt of online membership (as downloaded
from the renewal website), or a postcard or letter from the Corporate office confirming that the membership
has been received.

3. Kingdoms and principalities will ensure that all competitors in Crown and Coronet Lists are
aware of and meet the membership requirements for themselves and their prospective consorts at the time
they register for the Lists. Any officer of the Society or representative of a Kingdom found responsible for
allowing a non-member to participate, as an entrant or prospective consort, in a Royal List will be subject to
sanctions.

[WhyNotWhy]

I got some pick up fights with Count Sinclair at Blackstone. He gave a very good accounting of himself and I very much enjoyed our passes.

I wish him the best of luck

That reminds me, where do I send my lunch money to again???

Donate it to Their Highness's Travel Fund

I'll gladly take your lunch money, just keep in mind that I prefer higher denominations. I'll keep an eye out for you at crown.

Emma West
Kingdom Travel Fund Coordinator

[Cuan]

I was just looking too. Did not find it. Might have made it up. Sorry about that - thought it used to be there.

[Jean Paul de Sens]

I was just looking too. Did not find it. Might have made it up. Sorry about that - thought it used to be there.

I'm sure it probably did at one time. And I bet it was Inman who told the BoD that our method counted

But I'm just guessing.

JP

[ThorvaldR Skegglauss]

Drachenwald has also traditionally (at least for the last 5 years) done a round robin tourney. As long as the finals are at least a best of 3 you satisfy the at least double loss convention. Although I haven't seen that in corpora either.

regards
ThorvaldR

[Sayer Prikehert]

I'm just saying a standard double elim with 8 fighters would be kinda boring, and short. Why not have just one eric and do a round robin until the finals? There would be lots of fights and attention would be focused on each instead of trying to watch 4 fights at once.

[BdeB]

I'm just saying a standard double elim with 8 fighters would be kinda boring, and short. Why not have just one eric and do a round robin until the finals? There would be lots of fights and attention would be focused on each instead of trying to watch 4 fights at once.

It looks like sometime in the very recent past (I'm guessing the last two years since that was when the BOD made us change some other stuff about how we did Crowns) the restriction that crown be a double elimination tourney was removed from our law.

That's pretty interesting and completely changes the odds on this tourney, if Their Majesties break with tradition and do a round robin or some other type of format.

It would certainly make for a better tournament if they went for that route but it is very, very hard to break with tradition around here, even if it might be for the best.

[Talorgen]

The current version of the Atlantian Great Book of Law still has

6.2.5.2 The Crown Tournament shall be a double elimination tournament.

Publication date on the PDF downloaded from the web today is January 2010 and there is no update to section 6.2 listed in the errata that went into that publication, as posted at http://law.atlantia.sca.org.

The requirement appears to stand in Atlantian Law. As others have noted, the restriction appears to have been removed from Corpora - the only restriction that I can find there on the format of a Royal list is IV.A.1, which reads:

Royal Lists must be conducted at a tournament announced in the kingdom newsletter as being for that purpose. Crowns or Coronets who wish to conduct a royal list in a manner other than individual combat must obtain the prior approval of the Board of Directors.

There are other requirements in Corpora for eligibility for the Royal List, but none that I found about it's format.

It will be interesting to see how Their Majesties choose to run the list. His Grace has noted that the requirement may be met with any format that requires two losses for elimination, and so we must simply wait and see.

[Anthonye]

Antonio:

The double elim rule simply means that one may not be eliminated with one loss. It is only a floor. A round robin with 8 fighters would easily satisfy the requirement if you ran everyone through until you were down to only one fighter without two losses. It might be exhausting, but it would be a valid Crown.

Cool, I stand corrected then.

[darkmaster]

Round 1-

Turgeis vs Theron- Turgeis wins

Bryan vs Kieran- Bryan wins

Mungoe vs Vlad- Vlad wins

Sinclair vs Afshin- Afshin wins

Round 2- Winners-

Turgeis vs Bryan- Bryan wins

Vlad vs Afshin- Afshin wins

Round 2 Losers-

Sinclair vs Kieran- Sinclair wins

Mungoe vs Theron- Theron wins

Round 3 Losers-

Sinclair vs Theron- Sinclair wins

Vlad vs Turgeis- Turgeis wins

Semis- loser must win twice-

Afshin vs Turgeis- Afshin wins

Bryan vs Sinclair- Bryan wins

Finals (multi weapons)

Afshin vs Bryan-

Bryan wins

That's how it'll be!

Dark Master

[Syrfinn]

Funnest crown I have fought so far, was the last one I fought in, which was Fall 2008.

We had 13 fighters, Crown decided to do Round Robin. Was a complete and total blast.

They took the top 4, after everyone had fought each other, and semis was best 2 out of 3 and Finals was 3 out of 5. Easily met the 2 loss requirement. I think Duke Maynard had 1 loss, Duke Malcolm and I had 2, and Sir Thorgrim had 4, rest had more than that, before we fought in the finals.

[B. Amos]

Round 1-

Turgeis vs Theron- Turgeis wins

Bryan vs Kieran- Bryan wins

Mungoe vs Vlad- Vlad wins

Sinclair vs Afshin- Afshin wins

Round 2- Winners-

Turgeis vs Bryan- Bryan wins

Vlad vs Afshin- Afshin wins

Round 2 Losers-

Sinclair vs Kieran- Sinclair wins

Mungoe vs Theron- Theron wins

Round 3 Losers-

Sinclair vs Theron- Sinclair wins

Vlad vs Turgeis- Turgeis wins

Semis- loser must win twice-

Afshin vs Turgeis- Afshin wins

Bryan vs Sinclair- Bryan wins

Finals (multi weapons)

Afshin vs Bryan-

Bryan wins

That's how it'll be!

Dark Master

Those are some bold perdictions...