WESTLAND COTTON GAMBESONS WITHOUT THICK PADDING

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:24 pm

Hi everyone,

I have been asked by number of AA members to make Gambesons without thick cotton padding .

GROUP SALES PRICE IS USD 75.00 / UNIT ( FOR USA ONLY ) DELIVERED.

CANADIAN AND AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMERS PLEASE CONTACT FOR ADDITIONAL SHIPPING CHARGES.

COLORS & SIZES : Same as that of Padded Gambeson.

(EDITED)I am thinking about replacing thick cotton batting with single layer of cotton Cloth. So making the Gambeson in three layers of cotton cloth.

Looking for your Suggestions, Comments, Interests.

Regards,

Anton · Post by **Anton** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:26 pm

Throw some points on the shoulders and now we're talking

Anton

Eamonn · Post by **Eamonn** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:31 pm

My current gambeson is just three layers of linen, and it is perfectly adequate. Canvas might be a bit heavy I would think.

MXBNW · Post by **MXBNW** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:43 pm

I am with Eamonn 3-4 layers of linen would be just fine. I think the Canvas would be too much.

With a thin gambeson someone is only looking to hang amour and durability from the amour rubbing agents the gambeson. Possibly Canvas at a typical point location, Shoulders, elbow line from Cuff to Shoulder. Something like that. But I would love a good thin Durable Gambeson.

Kazimir Machalinski · Post by **Kazimir Machalinski** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:54 pm

Trimaris.
Thin.
Good.

Angusm0628 · Post by **Angusm0628** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:06 pm

My lady did my gambeson with three layer of linen...it's plenty nuff...

Therion · Post by **Therion** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:22 pm

Another vote for three layers of linen, no padding.

/Texas

bhaiduk · Post by **bhaiduk** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:49 pm

I would like one with three layers of linen. I would order one if the price was right.

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:02 am

Please note that these Gambesons would be in 100 % Cotton not Linen.

MXBNW · Post by **MXBNW** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:20 am

100 % Cotton Would that be pre shrunk? If so ill take (2) in black. XXL

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:27 am

MXBNW wrote:100 % Cotton Would that be pre shrunk? If so ill take (2) in black. XXL

Yes all my Gambesons are 100 % cotton Pre - Shrunk.

MXBNW · Post by **MXBNW** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:30 am

When your ready to make orders let me now. (Email Me) i am in for (2) will need to now more on your sizes. and final cost.

Tancred de Lanvellec · Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:01 am

If it were linen I would be interested.

Armand d'Alsace · Post by **Armand d'Alsace** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:18 am

I vote for 1-2 layers of wool between linen.

Kel Rekuta · Post by **Kel Rekuta** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:47 am

You guys are totally missing Westland's responses. He has cotton to work with. He doesn't have linen or wool in his product line. The poor guy has been asked the same question a dozen times since he came here. His response is always the same.

Eamonn · Post by **Eamonn** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:51 am

Three or four layers of cotton would be fine too. The point of my reply was that is was three layers of the same, relatively light, material and that canvas was not needed.

Angusm0628 · Post by **Angusm0628** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:00 am

What Eammon said...

Take three layers of a similiar weight to linen cotton fabric, Sew them together...Same results just cotton instead of linen..

Oscad · Post by **Oscad** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:20 am

I have light garb that is only 2-3 layers. I think a *bit* more would be better. I would suggest 4 layers.

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:30 am

Gambesons with three layers of Wool is now available. Natural color only.

GunnarUlfson · Post by **GunnarUlfson** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:50 am

Kel Rekuta wrote:You guys are totally missing Westland's responses. He has cotton to work with. He doesn't have linen or wool in his product line. The poor guy has been asked the same question a dozen times since he came here. His response is always the same.

If he wants to expand his product line it is a good direction for him to look at linen. If he did a 3 or 4 layer of linen that would pass the punch test he would be able to sell to not only heavy combat, but also rapier and cut n thrust.... just saying.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:55 am

Three layers of cotton would work for me.

Even what I've got now is too thick IMO. The steel absorbs so much of the shock that a thin arming coat would be much better for the SCA.

-Aaron

Cian of Storvik · Post by **Cian of Storvik** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:20 am

I think people would pay twice the normal cost for a similar gambeson of linen. Especially with minimal padding.

The Majority of SCA fighting events in the United states is during the spring and summer, where temps tend to be hot to begin with. So people looking for the gambeson look without the insulating properties would be interested. And those who want to use it it specifically for an arming garment would also be potential sales.

-Cian

talaananthes · Post by **talaananthes** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:33 am

Angusm0628 wrote:What Eammon said...

Take three layers of a similiar weight to linen cotton fabric, Sew them together...Same results just cotton instead of linen..

The thing is, linen has much better physical properties. It's lighter for the same thickness and strength, it has longer fibers so it's more durable, it breaths better, and it holds twice as much moisture as cotton (both total and pre-dampness). All in all, it lasts longer and it keeps you cooler in hot weather. Significantly cooler.

A lot of manufacturers seem to have missed this memo as well, especially Revival Clothing who have the best looking and designed linen gambesons on the market . . . except that the inner layer is cotton. What's the point in paying $300+ for a linen gambeson when the inner layer is cotton?

Westland, if you can make your gambesons happen in linen (even just natural undyed would be fine, maybe even better) I think you would have a huge market for them. I wear mail so I'd prefer one with a lot of padding--your original design with the grand assiette sleeves but with a linen shell would be perfect for me, probably--but I'm sure there are other people who have other priorities.

Maelduin mac D · Post by **Maelduin mac D** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:40 pm

Kazimir Machalinski wrote:Trimaris.
Thin.
Good.

Our knight have schmart squires and pretty squires. Kaz am schmart squire.

Maelduin

Britehelm · Post by **Britehelm** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:43 pm

I am in for two if someone puts a group order together.
Lex

Lucian Ro · Post by **Lucian Ro** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:50 pm

I'm in for one, possibly two. I'll also chime in that I'd prefer linen, although I quite understand that cotton/wool may be all you have to deal with, Westland.
Do you have a tentative price?

Armand d'Alsace · Post by **Armand d'Alsace** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:03 am

Kel Rekuta wrote:You guys are totally missing Westland's responses. He has cotton to work with. He doesn't have linen or wool in his product line. The poor guy has been asked the same question a dozen times since he came here. His response is always the same.

Ah. I didn't know that.

Personally I see many people who research patterns and make beutiful garb, but for some reason refuse to use good material, and since they use ahistorical materials I don't buy their products.

I was merely trying to help, I'll be quiet now.

sha-ul · Post by **sha-ul** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:45 pm

was price ever mentioned?

Theodwyn Kelsale · Post by **Theodwyn Kelsale** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:51 pm

Not sure how/ if this is going to effect the "original" gambeson group order I am managing - but look for my review of the tester gambeson sent from Westland I received this week.

*spoilers* thin will probably be preferred

Gryffinclaw · Post by **Gryffinclaw** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:28 pm

I am interested in a few also

Odo of the Abbey of Saint · Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:19 pm

TheÃ³dwyn Lufu wrote:Not sure how/ if this is going to effect the "original" gambeson group order I am managing - but look for my review of the tester gambeson sent from Westland I received this week.

*spoilers* thin will probably be preferred

Damn, that is what I was thinking also. What are the prices on the thin ones? Can we switch to the thin if we want?

Odo

Eric Fick · Post by **Eric Fick** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:11 pm

are any available? pics?

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:20 pm

Eric Fick wrote:are any available? pics?

Pics of White / Black to be uploaded early next week.

Westland · Post by **Westland** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:24 am

Please contact TheÃ³dwyn Lufu for placing your orders for thin version of three layered cotton Gambesons.

Maelduin mac D · Post by **Maelduin mac D** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:53 am

I would be willing to handle a smaller group buy for us Trimarians. If you're willing to wait until we can catch up at an event, it would save you the re-shipping costs. Benefits of a geographically small Kingdom, you'll see me at every event (on second thought, with my ugly mug that might not be a benefit). Would only have to add five bucks per unit to cover the wire transfer and PayPal fees, so a total of $80 per unit, $90 if you want it mailed to you.

Im in for two. Would only need eight more to make an order. Emails to MAELDUIN@GMAIL.COM. Indicate size, color (colors for particolor), whether you want to have it shipped immediately, or hang onto it to meet up at an event, practice, etc. Also include what metro area you live in, as I have family in Tampa and friends all over. Might be able to meet up other than at events when I travel. I'll leave the buy open until I get eight, then mybe a couple more days.

Regards,
Maelduin dubh mac Diarmata
Squire to His Grace Duke Gunnar Oxnamegin

Please note: this is for the LIGHTWEIGHT, UNPADDED Westland Gambeson. Would prefer to handle orders for Trimarian only, as I will see you at all the Kingdom events. Contact me via emal to MAELDUIN@GMAIL.COM