COP with the plates on the outside

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:19 am

I have this foggy memory of Turkish armor that was basically a coat of plates, but the plates were attached to the outside of the shell.

I'm not referring to the mirror armor. At least I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Does anybody know what I'm thinking of? And can you give me a friendly nudge in the right direction?

fghthty545y · Post by **fghthty545y** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:47 am

Like the turkish-goks?

madlarks · Post by **madlarks** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:24 am

I think I know what you are talking about. Are the plates laced together with chain? Big round front plate plus all the sides etc etc.

Its more commonly seen as russian armor though it occasionally makes an appearance as turkish or mamluke.

Not totally sure of the posting rules for images so here ya' go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLCLljsi ... re=related

At times 45-50 seconds, 1:25-1;30. You can kind of see what I"m talking about on there.

deflagratio · Post by **deflagratio** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:16 pm

Is this it?
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii15 ... ris177.jpg

Armourkris · Post by **Armourkris** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:21 pm

Like this?

http://velizariy.kiev.ua/avallon/cuiras ... s/op09.jpg

Thats more of a Russian thing i believe. the Turkish version would have had maille connecting the plates together.
also, on more of the Russian end of thigns there are these.

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:19 pm

Those are awesome! But not quite what I remember. The one in the deep dark halls of my memory were definately attached to a colth or leather backing.

I may be wrong about it being Turkish

I've been trying to narrow down my region for almost a year now. It could be Turkish, Persian, Arabic, or Russian.

I think it was a museum piece that I saw. Looked basically like a Wisby coat of plates, but kinda flipped inside out.

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:15 am

Is it something like this?

Try looking for Mughal, and maybe see if Chris Gilman from here on the archive, this may even be a pic of his work.

Most of the turkish armour I've come across, depending on the period, would have been maille, and/or maille and plates.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:43 am

I think you are thinking more Russian / Mongolian
search this site for Bazino - I linked to that once

also look for the key word Kuyak

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:56 pm

Norman to the rescue!!!
Here is the picture of the kuyak armor I was remembering

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:03 pm

Halbrust wrote:Norman to the rescue!!!
Here is the picture of the kuyak armor I was remembering

So basically, a maille and plates without the maille? I've seen plenty similar but with a maille foundation.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:59 am

Halbrust wrote:Norman to the rescue!!!
Here is the picture of the kuyak armor I was remembering

Except that that one is most likely a 19th century mistake.
The plates should overlap --
like the two Armourkris posted.

Benedek wrote:So basically, a maille and plates without the maille? I've seen plenty similar but with a maille foundation.

The ones with the maile in that configuration are Kolontar (or Tatami Do :wink:

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Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:27 am

Reserecting this tread because I'm at the point I need to make some body armor for SCA. I really like the look of these, but don't understand how they're constructed.

I though tit was similar to scale, but you can see the rivets most of the plates, so that's not right.

Pictures to reduce confusion
http://www.kitabhona.org.ua/forums/download/file.php?id=323&sid=48699fc3da4d717f1e5d5277fd0b0607&mode=view

Peikko · Post by **Peikko** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:36 am

Halbrust wrote:Reserecting this tread because I'm at the point I need to make some body armor for SCA. I really like the look of these, but don't understand how they're constructed.

I though tit was similar to scale, but you can see the rivets most of the plates, so that's not right.

Pictures to reduce confusion
http://www.kitabhona.org.ua/forums/download/file.php?id=323&sid=48699fc3da4d717f1e5d5277fd0b0607&mode=view

despite the rivets (and their location) I suspect that this would function not unlike a scale armour. If you are unsure, get some cardstock, cloth and paper fastners (split pins) and make a cheap test piece. I suspect that you will find that it will work fine.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:45 am

Yes, it is pretty much scale or inside-out Coat of Plates.
The extra rivets are because you have bigger plates so they need more support.
Basicaly, you can try to figue out how much give you want and put the lowermost rivet at the point that would allow the plate below to move to the position you want.
If I remember what I did on my armour correctly (which I probably don't), the top rivets are at 1/4 from the top. The bottom rivets are maybe 2 inches from the bottom.
There is also overlap and movement side to side.
The side of the plate that goves over, the rivet is maybe 2 inches from the edge (that doesn't sound right - maybe 1 inch). The side that goes under ... I'm pretty sure those were 1/4 from the edge.

shinyhalo · Post by **shinyhalo** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:09 pm

It's hard to tell how much overlap is present in these. Without overlap your ribs might get broken by a strong spear thrust. I may be wrong since I haven't fought in it.