Let's See Those Maille Drapes, Aventails/Camails!

Vilhelm550 · Post by **Vilhelm550** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:21 pm

So, here I am, working on a riveted maille aventail for my White Mountain Armories Kettle Helm. It should be awesomesauce when it get's done, with the blackened mail and brass ring trim. I figured out a construction method (Much thanks to Konstantin the Red), but I got to wondering how others attached/decorated thiers, and would like to get a little inspiration.

So, to that end, lets see any SCA or WMA/HEMA helms with a maille drape, camail, or aventail, please.

Thanks in advance!

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:41 pm

I used this helm once, and determined it was slightly too small for me, but other than that it worked great. And I think I only lost one ring off the butted aventail.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:03 pm

Hey, glad I could be of use. Enjoy enjoy, 'cos you iz now da maille man, and you need fear no tiny iron ring. That little ring, the least of rings... (Oh, Professor, do hush. It's not even your centenary thingie this year. That was 1992; your eleventy-first was in '03, when GWB ruled the Earth -- and Dick Cheney ensured nobody was going to assassinate him! (Woulda served 'em right if they had.))

I need an "Ahem" smiley.

Well, at the worst you can probably hang the mail from an internal brass or leather "sweatband" around the inside of your kettlehat's skull. Alternatively, an attachment band for your mail a little lower, directly affixed to your bar-cage. Even tight-pulled wire, taken around the vertical bars of the bar-cage, would hold the mail up. I'm imagining wire stretched between the verticals and a turn or three of wire around each vertical, perhaps with a shallow notch filed to receive a turn of that wire, positively preventing it from ever sliding down.

Further attachment may be slipped in farther down the drape, tying bits of it to the bar-cage with fine wire.

So even "at the worst" you've got a few options -- a regular embarrassment of riches.

Cian of Storvik · Post by **Cian of Storvik** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:44 pm

Not on a kettle helm, but it's an aventail:

(Stainless riveted flat ring 9mm aventail from Icefalcon).
-Cian

Rodney · Post by **Rodney** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:52 pm

Modified GDFB bascinet. Bar grill by me. Butted / blackened mail by Icefalcon.

Varukh · Post by **Varukh** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:49 am

finished this one last night.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:34 am

This drape was made from bronze 1/16" brazing rod.
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... /chief.jpg

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:03 pm

Varukh, I see you had fun there. I think I used to know a guy with eyebrows that looked like that...

Varukh · Post by **Varukh** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:38 pm

yea....well its a little mangled after this weekends event....picked up chainmaille rings all day long from the aventail. One of these days i have to break down and get welded or riveted maille.

Malek · Post by **Malek** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:49 pm

Best shot so far of my (being rebuilt) camail (that's me in the middle)

Helm was a gift from a friend, unknown maker.
The plates were via a friend that does metal fab work, and I did the assembly.

Here is my wife's helm:

For her: Helmet by Two Ravens Armoury
Aventail: 6mm blackened riveted from IceFalcon Armoury

Varukh · Post by **Varukh** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:01 pm

Your wife's helm is beautiful! I am drooling over my keyboard now.

Vilhelm550 · Post by **Vilhelm550** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:30 pm

That's the stuff I want to see!

Malek, on your wife's helm, which is awesomeness, by the way, it looks like a liner under the maille. How did you attach it and how far in from the edge does it come?

Thanks so much, eveyone!

Keegan Ingrassia · Post by **Keegan Ingrassia** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:36 pm

Tableau wrote:

I used this helm once, and determined it was slightly too small for me, but other than that it worked great. And I think I only lost one ring off the butted aventail.

I want this.

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:46 pm

My Norman 1170's:

4 Normans (painted green):

My Norman 1190's:

My Rus:

LH Slavic/Rus

Varukh · Post by **Varukh** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:13 pm

that is not fair Greenshield....no one should have that many awesome looking kits. Very nice.

Vilhelm550 · Post by **Vilhelm550** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:24 pm

Greenshield, question on your Norman 1170's helm: How is the vission with the maille so far up the face and what, and little more than an inch below the bottom of the helm brow?

I think the maille attached to my kettle helm is going to be similar to that, coming high up on the bargrill.

Here's a pic of my current kit, with a leather drape. It's decent, but I need maille there, dangit!

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:07 pm

Sorry for the far away picture but it's all I have that's current. It's also a WMA kettle helm too;

Blackoak · Post by **Blackoak** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:19 pm

Vilhelm550 wrote:How is the vission with the maille so far up the face and what, and little more than an inch below the bottom of the helm brow?

You actually see pretty well through the maille. It really doesn't affect the vision more than the bars without the maille do.

Uric

Vilhelm550 · Post by **Vilhelm550** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:02 am

DeCalmont, your rig has been an inspiration to me, for sure.

Blackoak, that is absolutely badass! Thanks for the info on visibility.

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:42 am

Vilhelm,

There is little to no restriction to visibility once you get used to it. It's kind of like looking through a screen door but with slightly larger holes in the screen.

G

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:31 pm

Two for one. I am on the right, and HRH is on the left (faking me out of my shorts which will lead to a stunning body shot!

)

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:45 am

Wow you guys sure have some great pics.
Thanks for the pics.

Hal

Malek · Post by **Malek** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:12 pm

Vilhelm550 wrote:That's the stuff I want to see!

Malek, on your wife's helm, which is awesomeness, by the way, it looks like a liner under the maille. How did you attach it and how far in from the edge does it come?

The helm has a thick leather band riveted to the helm and has lacing holes punched in it for lacing on the aventail. I used a black nylon twine that I got in the craft area of the local Wal Mart. I doubled up the twine for lacing it on. So far, very sturdy.

The lining is a mid-weight cotton canvas, also from the local Wally World. It's folded just over the edge of the aventail and comes in about 12" or so from the edges. I sewed it down with black upholstery thread.

And yes, my wife is very pleased with her helm from Two Raven's armoury. Once the budget allows, I am planning on ordering a new one from him myself.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:11 pm

Vilhelm550, nice kit.

This is classic cool:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o140 ... 0_4058.jpg

This is maile drape made from mild steel 16ga. bailing wire.
One of my first helms.
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... ergate.jpg
The mail is hooked in 1/8" holes around the back.
Some historical references survive.

Hal

NeeSayer · Post by **NeeSayer** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:20 pm

Here's my norman inspired helm

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Swete · Post by **Swete** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:34 pm

Aventails are so cool!

NeeSayer · Post by **NeeSayer** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:03 pm

Swete wrote:Aventails are so cool!

I love the fact that they've become almost common place in the SCA.

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:14 pm

better pictures are too large to post.

Keegan Ingrassia · Post by **Keegan Ingrassia** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:26 pm

Guy, could you share some insight on that corrazina? Did you make it yourself?

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:30 pm

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Guy, could you share some insight on that corrazina? Did you make it yourself?

Not to hi-jack Vilhelm550 thread, the top portion is from a kit by Sir Gaston covered in ultra suede. the faulds are cut from white barrel and covered in the same ultra sued backed by canvas.

Vilhelm550 · Post by **Vilhelm550** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:56 am

Thanks to everyone that has posted so far. I appreciate it and am enjoying the insight.

I was watching some vids of the 2009 Pennsic Combat of the Thirty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1wp03B ... re=related
and there are three gents with kettle helms, two with maille and one with cloth aventail. Does anyone know these men or happen to have pictures of their helms?

Thanks all

olaf haraldson · Post by **olaf haraldson** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:02 am

From Warriors of history this year. Aventail has been shortened since then.

[img]http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg228/olafharaldson/Pennsic%202010/IM000213.jpg[/img]