Anybody do Agincourt?

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:49 pm

I was just wondering if anybody does a good Agincourt portrayal?
It has been in my head for a while now for some reason!

Baron Eirik · Post by **Baron Eirik** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:29 pm

MJBlazek wrote:I was just wondering if anybody does a good Agencourt portrayal?
It has been in my head for a while now for some reason!

Sir Crispin Bucher of the Midrealm does. But he's not on the Archive. And I believe he's training up for deployment to the sandbox.

Leo Medii · Post by **Leo Medii** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:56 pm

Baron Eirik wrote:
MJBlazek wrote:I was just wondering if anybody does a good Agencourt portrayal?
It has been in my head for a while now for some reason!
Sir Crispin Bucher of the Midrealm does. But he's not on the Archive. And I believe he's training up for deployment to the sandbox.

Ditto. He was one of the original "push the limit" guys. He was doing COTT stuff before it was cool to do it. He was one of my most favorite people to fight in our kingdom. Man, do I miss that guy.

Baron Eirik · Post by **Baron Eirik** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:04 pm

Leo Medii wrote:
Baron Eirik wrote:
MJBlazek wrote:I was just wondering if anybody does a good Agencourt portrayal?
It has been in my head for a while now for some reason!
Sir Crispin Bucher of the Midrealm does. But he's not on the Archive. And I believe he's training up for deployment to the sandbox.

Ditto. He was one of the original "push the limit" guys. He was doing COTT stuff before it was cool to do it. He was one of my most favorite people to fight in our kingdom. Man, do I miss that guy.

He was teaching us some Fiore last year. I get to see him about once a month, we get to fight 3 or 4 times a year, plus the Ren Fair here when the Guard lets him have that weekend.

Leo Medii · Post by **Leo Medii** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:09 pm

Baron Eirik wrote:
Leo Medii wrote:
Baron Eirik wrote:
MJBlazek wrote:I was just wondering if anybody does a good Agencourt portrayal?
It has been in my head for a while now for some reason!
Sir Crispin Bucher of the Midrealm does. But he's not on the Archive. And I believe he's training up for deployment to the sandbox.

Ditto. He was one of the original "push the limit" guys. He was doing COTT stuff before it was cool to do it. He was one of my most favorite people to fight in our kingdom. Man, do I miss that guy.
He was teaching us some Fiore last year. I get to see him about once a month, we get to fight 3 or 4 times a year, plus the Ren Fair here when the Guard lets him have that weekend.

If you see him, let him know he is missed!

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:12 pm

La Belle is working on doing an Agincourt camp for next year.

Baron Eirik · Post by **Baron Eirik** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:13 pm

Will do. I'd like to see him more myself. At least his job this deployment is one of the least dangerous, he's to command on-base MP security somewhere over there.

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:25 am

James B. wrote:La Belle is working on doing an Agincourt camp for next year.

Well, Agincourt era, not Agincourt proper. Not enough people.

James Arlen Gillaspie · Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:13 pm

C'est moi! Or within a decade or so (fanplates a little forward looking).

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:23 pm

Jeff Wasson did a splendid composite "Agincourt" harness a few years back. Lots of details on his page for it.

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:52 pm

Gerhard von Liebau wrote:Jeff Wasson did a splendid composite "Agincourt" harness a few years back. Lots of details on his page for it.

I love that suit.
I actually have somone modifying a bascinet (with Jeff's Permission) to look like the one in that picture.

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:17 pm

I will soon have most of an Agincourt harness, achieved through combining some late 14th century harness with a great bascinet and a cuirass with fauld.

Best,

John

Gregoire de Lyon · Post by **Gregoire de Lyon** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:30 pm

Gerhard von Liebau wrote:Jeff Wasson did a splendid composite "Agincourt" harness a few years back....

I wonder if he has documentation for the splinted cuisses and greaves?

Alric Godwynson · Post by **Alric Godwynson** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:00 pm

Last July, my wife and I had the opportunity to travel through England for about 3 weeks. While there, we went to the Medieval History Festival at Kelmarsh Hall. There, they had a several hundred man re-enactment of Agincourt. I about broke my finger furiously taking as many pictures of it as possible! Here's a few that I thought might be of some help.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436304701/" title="38502_10150237267360352_690965351_13853301_2830245_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/5436304701_44fa01c886.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="38502_10150237267360352_690965351_13853301_2830245_n"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436304759/" title="38032_10150237267420352_690965351_13853305_511805_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5058/5436304759_fb50831578.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="38032_10150237267420352_690965351_13853305_511805_n"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436304835/" title="37794_10150237267430352_690965351_13853306_6484272_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/5436304835_4da5e8b42c.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="37794_10150237267430352_690965351_13853306_6484272_n"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436304899/" title="38832_10150237267525352_690965351_13853311_5678427_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/5436304899_ea721ec182.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="38832_10150237267525352_690965351_13853311_5678427_n"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436305015/" title="38669_10150237267760352_690965351_13853332_7758245_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/5436305015_e1a48345e2.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="38669_10150237267760352_690965351_13853332_7758245_n"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25092001@N06/5436305095/" title="38637_10150237267780352_690965351_13853335_6436234_n by dylan_the_scot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/5436305095_a101e401f0.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="38637_10150237267780352_690965351_13853335_6436234_n"></a>

I had a chance to talk with alot of the Agincourt people, and found them to be alot like us in the states. Helpful, knowledgable, and excited in what they were doing and having ALOT of fun doing it.

EnglishSteel · Post by **EnglishSteel** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:49 pm

Yes, The Wars of the Roses Federation has done Harfleur/Agincourt at the Festival of History for the past couple of years. I'll have a dig arround for more.

EnglishSteel · Post by **EnglishSteel** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:37 pm

Double posting just so more people see this.

Festival of History 2010: Harfleur

General Kelmarsh photos Agincourt stuff starts about page 7

Loads here too

BIG gallery of FOH Agincourt stuff

Enjoy

James Arlen Gillaspie · Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:50 pm

Alric, I presume you are aware that many of the folk you photo'd are wearing kit that is VERY post-Agincourt? :wink:

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:36 am

James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:Alric, I presume you are aware that many of the folk you photo'd are wearing kit that is VERY post-Agincourt?

It is true of much of the clothing too. Most are wearing 1450 and beyond outfits and not 1415 clothing at all. They are solidly War of the Roses and not Hundred Years War.

Doublets in that era should basically look like a pourpoint with long peplums.

Also kettle helms are almost never depicted on longbow men, they should have half helms, scale helms, or bascinets on at this time.

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:24 am

Well that's one of the reason why I asked if anybody Actually portrays Agincourt. They may be re-creating the "Battle" but they are not actually recreating the time period.

Alric Godwynson · Post by **Alric Godwynson** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:52 pm

Actually, I didn't know...my main focus is usually on 11/12th century and 16 century England...and my Agincourt-100 Years War knowldedge is limited to the basics. Didn't mean to pass on incorrect info, MJ, just saw the request and thought I could post some pics to help.

Thanks for the heads up James's.

(Boy that felt weird typing...my mundane name is James

)

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:46 pm

Alric Godwynson wrote:Actually, I didn't know...my main focus is usually on 11/12th century and 16 century England...and my Agincourt-100 Years War knowldedge is limited to the basics. Didn't mean to pass on incorrect info, MJ, just saw the request and thought I could post some pics to help.

Thanks for the heads up James's.

(Boy that felt weird typing...my mundane name is James )

No harm No foul my man. There are still some cool pictures there

Tancred de Lanvellec · Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:13 pm

There may be an Agincourt event in the USA (East Coast) in 2015.
I will keep you posted.

jarlragnar · Post by **jarlragnar** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:47 pm

There may also be one at Agincourt in 2015. I will cross my bow drawing fingers.

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:31 am

I am working on some drawing of doublets at this time, when they are done I will post them.

Alric there are some folks in your pictures that got it right, I just wanted to point were they are a bit off

zachos · Post by **zachos** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:16 pm

Just to let everyone know, the FED, while post Agincourt have never claimed to be specialists in that period. Their remit is to do War of the Roses, which they do very well. They were asked to do some Agincourt re-enactments by English Heritage, and did all they could to oblige. Some people even bought whole new harnesses. Unfortunately, that isn't possible for everyone, so many just did the best they could with what they had available.

Do you want pictures of an actual agincourt re-enactment, or just ones that would work for that era?

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:26 pm

zachos wrote:Just to let everyone know, the FED, while post Agincourt have never claimed to be specialists in that period. Their remit is to do War of the Roses, which they do very well. They were asked to do some Agincourt re-enactments by English Heritage, and did all they could to oblige. Some people even bought whole new harnesses. Unfortunately, that isn't possible for everyone, so many just did the best they could with what they had available.

Do you want pictures of an actual agincourt re-enactment, or just ones that would work for that era?

Just ones that would work for the era would be fine. Thank you.

My other love is War of the Roses. So I do enjoy all of the pictures that have been given so far!

zachos · Post by **zachos** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:15 pm

From a polish groups gallery. A bit earlier than Agincourt, but the equipment would have easily have still been in use:

Gallery

Gallery

From the Laurin Tournament: Again, some kits are a bit early, but would still have been in use:

[img]http://www.laurin-tournament.com/laurin2010/images/larurin000107.jpg[/img]

Gallery

And if you look through here, you'll see some very nice late 14th/early 15th century armour made by Albert Collins:

Via Armorari.

If you want any War of the Roses pictures I can find you them as well.

Tancred de Lanvellec · Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:27 pm

James B. wrote:I am working on some drawing of doublets at this time, when they are done I will post them.

Alric there are some folks in your pictures that got it right, I just wanted to point were they are a bit off

James - I would love to see those drawings of early doublets!

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:40 am

This is the most basic shape seen from the 1410 to 1425 era:

Sleeves are a bit different for rich guys like this:

You can see the sleeve is baggy with a cuff instead of a normal tapering sleeve. Sleeve shape based on Les Tres Riches Heures Du Duc De Berry 1412-1416:

Andrew McKinnon · Post by **Andrew McKinnon** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:04 pm

I started on an Agincourt period look for my tournament kit but never quite finished. Not really done in the joust world, it's all 13/14thC then there is a tendency to jump into mid 15thC. Here is where I got to for what it is worth.

Soft kit.

Joust harness

EDIT **Notwithstanding the very good Sir Leo Medii!**

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