Georges Duby's William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry

Fearghus Macildubh · Post by **Fearghus Macildubh** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:57 am

I was given a copy of this book for Father's Day. http://www.amazon.com/William-Marshal-C ... 593&sr=8-1 Finally got some free time to read it. Lots of good information about knighthood and chivalry in the heyday of the Angevins and Anglo-Normans. How a household was ran, the role of women, how fealty was viewed, what the early tournaments were like. Great insight into very much what I consider the ur-chivalric period. Courtly love, errant knights, damsels, troubadours, Crusaders, what more could you want?

More books, that's what! What other books about the period do Archiver's recommend?

Thorstenn · Post by **Thorstenn** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:29 am

Fantastic book IMO. It was hard to put down.

As for recommendations. Go to amazon.com and search for Chivalry, pick a book at random.

Thor-

EnglishSteel · Post by **EnglishSteel** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:14 pm

Von Lichtenstein's The Service of Ladies?

Cliff Rogers · Post by **Cliff Rogers** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:04 pm

John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.

Cliff

Thorstenn · Post by **Thorstenn** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:30 am

Just read what I could find on Google. I don't see a epic slam? did I miss it?

Thor-

Cliff Rogers wrote:John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.

Cliff

Fearghus Macildubh · Post by **Fearghus Macildubh** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:49 am

Thorstenn wrote:Just read what I could find on Google. I don't see a epic slam? did I miss it?

Thor-

Cliff Rogers wrote:John Gillingham (a super historian) gives that book an epic slam in his article "War and Chivalry in the _History of William the Marshal_," a great article.

Cliff

http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/p ... ngham1.pdf Ouch! To say that his disagrees with Duby's findings would be an understatment.

ushumgal · Post by **ushumgal** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:15 am

Fearghus Macildubh wrote:http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/p ... ngham1.pdf Ouch! To say that his disagrees with Duby's findings would be an understatment.

Oh how I love academic cat fights! :lol:

...he says very little about war, and that little, as I shall make clear, is mostly rubbish.

Zing!!!

Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:57 am

Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with primary material. Wolfram's Parzival, the Lais of Marie de France, Chretien de Troyes' Arthurian romances, the work of Hartmann von Aue, of Beroul, Layamon, the Pearl poet....

Fearghus Macildubh · Post by **Fearghus Macildubh** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:40 am

Eff,
I have the Lais of Marie de France on my wishlist, along with Chretien de Troyes. Nothing like a new subject to research to make a bookworm's day!

Cliff Rogers · Post by **Cliff Rogers** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:54 am

ushumgal wrote:
Fearghus Macildubh wrote:http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/p ... ngham1.pdf Ouch! To say that his disagrees with Duby's findings would be an understatment.

Oh how I love academic cat fights!

...he says very little about war, and that little, as I shall make clear, is mostly rubbish.

Zing!!!

Check out the text at note 39, which is the sentence that always makes my students' jaw drop... especially before they realize it's a paraphrase of Duby's judgment on Marshal.

Dan Howard · Post by **Dan Howard** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:19 am

"sadly, these days, Duby seems to be blessed with a brain too small to impede the natural facility of his tireless pen"

Ouch

Donal Mac Ruiseart · Post by **Donal Mac Ruiseart** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:50 am

Don't forget Charny, who authored several books touching on chivalry; and Lull.

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