Cervelle helmet question

[Hospitaller@Acre]

Where the Cervelles just round or were they also conical...???
Thanks

[Trevor]

Round, and short.

[Wulfgar]

Doesn't the D'abernnon cervallier have a piece added to it so that it has a conicle shape?

[Baron Alcyoneus]

Helmet names can be fairly broad and vague. The cervellier eventually "becomes" a bascinet, just like other helmets change with time until they evolve into something else.

http://www.thorkil.pl/bascinet_d_abernon_eng.htm

I'd call that a transitional piece, because my defintion of it wouldn't go quite that low, nor would the forehead be so well defined. It would also generally be smooth and rounded rather than fluted with a central point.

Ask someone else, and they might have a different definition.

[Eltz-Kempenich]

My impression is that they're basically bascinets cut off about ear-level and lacking a well defined point. They're actually kinda similar to US WWII helmets.

[James B.]

My impression is that they're basically bascinets cut off about ear-level and lacking a well defined point. They're actually kinda similar to US WWII helmets.

This; I have one for La Belle Compagnie with a bascinet point.

[jarlragnar]

My impression is that they're basically bascinets cut off about ear-level and lacking a well defined point. They're actually kinda similar to US WWII helmets.

but really little, right?

[InsaneIrish]

The Cevelliere, like Alcy said, becomes the bascinet. There are quite a few examples of proto bascinets or more fully formed cevelliere. I guess the determining factor is how far down the back of the head you want to extend the helmet to accept a back swept conical point.

What most people think of when you say skull cap:
http://therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1131.html

proto bascinet/cevelliere:


Another proto bascinet with attached camail:

[James B.]

The Cevelliere lives on into at least the early 15th century. I am doing Agincourt era research and have found quite a few on soldiers in that time frame but not on upper class men in full armor.

[InsaneIrish]

The Cevelliere lives on into at least the early 15th century. I am doing Agincourt era research and have found quite a few on soldiers in that time frame but not on upper class men in full armor.

Actually into the 16th. There are illustrations of landsknechts wearing them in the earlier part of the 16th century.

[mackenzie]

From: Bible Sainte-Genevieve, Paris http://vitezek.io.ua/album10931
I like this image because is show both round and conic helmet plus a kettle hat.

[Hospitaller@Acre]

From: Bible Sainte-Genevieve, Paris http://vitezek.io.ua/album10931
I like this image because is show both round and conic helmet plus a kettle hat.

So, a low conical could be documented? I have a low conical I was thinking about converting. This is a old pic. I would have the nasal removed. Rivet holes from the nasal welded and ground down. My other helmet is a kettle. I wanted to have a tourney and war helmet and be able to use the same body harness..your thoughts. I would mount vervelles and have a riveted aventail to mount on it...Thanks