Gambesons and Eastern Troops

Cedric Adolphus · Post by **Cedric Adolphus** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Did Seljuks, Ottomans, Moors and the like ever wear Gambesons or something like?

Sasha_Khan · Post by **Sasha_Khan** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:25 pm

Yes.

Any culture that uses mail is going to, as a matter of course.

Cedric Adolphus · Post by **Cedric Adolphus** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:54 pm

Was there any major difference in style or design?

Sasha_Khan · Post by **Sasha_Khan** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:12 am

Since the vestimentary systems of levantine arabic, turkic and north african cultures are different, those arming garments are going to follow those of the relevant culture.

Cedric Adolphus · Post by **Cedric Adolphus** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:28 am

Do you have any examples or illustrations of eastern style ones? I can't find anything but Russian ones

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:21 am

"Seljuk, Ottoman, and Moor" is sort of a huge category there (one of which isn't by ANY definition eastern). Can you be more specific? I can show you a sculpture showing one in Transylvania, but that's not hitting your three ethnic groups there.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:22 am

Also note that the khazaghand is mail and gambeson built integrally. Works like a charm, I'm seriously inclined to remake mine.

Cedric Adolphus · Post by **Cedric Adolphus** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:55 am

Really any of the three are of interest, but Ottoman especially so. Khazagand is interesting, hadn't seen that before.

Sasha_Khan · Post by **Sasha_Khan** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:21 am

I have a bunch of questions going to the Askeri museum in Turkey via a Turkish friend, and questions about arming garments are included in that. As soon as I hear anything back, I'll share

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:57 pm

Sasha_Khan wrote:I have a bunch of questions going to the Askeri museum in Turkey via a Turkish friend, and questions about arming garments are included in that. As soon as I hear anything back, I'll share

Ooooohhhh......you must share when you get answers back.

My Gambeson/Padding is sleeveless and has ties on the front with a double layer of padding over the shoulders.

Works well for me, and does a great job when I'm wearing my maille.

Said ibn-Ali · Post by **Said ibn-Ali** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:14 am

From what I have found on the "moors" Almoravids is they wore a gambison type shirt/jacket. But they did it differently.

They put a light shirt under the mail, then put the gambison on over the mail, then a light jacket. Then they wore a light jacket or shirt over that. But I cant confirm the last layer, it seems that was only worn in winter or dusty desert condition.

Therion · Post by **Therion** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:36 pm

Here are some folks on FaceCrack doing some really impressive Islamic and Eastern arms & armor research (check the photo albums):

Saray al Mamluk

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Saray-al ... 8824675049

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:16 pm

Sasha Khan Thread Necromancy!!

Did you ever hear back on this? I got asked the other day about the geographical extent to which it was used, and couldn't provide a good answer.

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