Shoulder armor question

[Gilebert]

OK...

I been doing this for a while... but I am finally going to be getting a cohesive kit together.

I am going to have two looks for it.. one for up to 1340's and the other a later 1380's styles.

For the 1340's I was thinking of making splinted leather arms and legs with articulated knees and elbows. Yes?
I am not really looking for a full CoP kit for the earlier kit.

The 1380's kit would be the transitional with the steel arm harness and 3/4 leg harnesss I have had for a few years. Using the 7 piece "Churburg" breast plate I have.

What I am after is what type/style of shoulder protection for each kit?

Simple cops for the earlier kit and 3 or 4-lame for the later kit?

Oh... and while I realize mail is "required", I do not have the funds to support that purchase.

I will be making most of what I need to finish these kits.

[Buster]

What region are you going for?
If you're English, you can use lamed spaudlers for the 1340's kit. And the 1380's kit, obviously.
(Lamed spaulders also appear in a small number of 1340's French effigies.)
If you're German, you'd want to use simple, one piece spaulders for both kits.

[Gilebert]

What region are you going for?

Good point.. it went through my head but never hit the keys... Burgundian (between Gaul<France>, Germany and Italy). So I could have influences from all three. As well as influence from England

If you're English, you can use lamed spaudlers for the 1340's kit. And the 1380's kit, obviously.
(Lamed spaulders also appear in a small number of 1340's French effigies.)
If you're German, you'd want to use simple, one piece spaulders for both kits.

[Konstantin the Red]

Actually, they weren't independent spaudlers there; they were spaud-like articulations cupping the shoulder point and permanently affixed to the rerebrace of each brassart. They were made exactly like spaudlers of lames and cop, they were just part of the arm and did not have a biceps strap.

Suspension of the entire arm was by leather tab at the top of the spaudleroid and pointing.

[Gilebert]

Actually, they weren't independent spaudlers there; they were spaud-like articulations cupping the shoulder point and permanently affixed to the rerebrace of each brassart. They were made exactly like spaudlers of lames and cop, they were just part of the arm and did not have a biceps strap.

Suspension of the entire arm was by leather tab at the top of the spaudleroid and pointing.

Could you post a pic or link to something that shows this?

[Konstantin the Red]

For most of us, that's TOMAR. Got a copy?

[Buster]

Actually, they weren't independent spaudlers there; they were spaud-like articulations cupping the shoulder point and permanently affixed to the rerebrace of each brassart. They were made exactly like spaudlers of lames and cop, they were just part of the arm and did not have a biceps strap.

Suspension of the entire arm was by leather tab at the top of the spaudleroid and pointing.

Could you post a pic or link to something that shows this?

Have you looked at effigies of the period?
Although the integrated spaulder theory can't be proved beyond doubt, most effigies make it look like 14th century spaulders were affixed to their rerebraces. Lamed spaudlers always overlapped a rerebrace, I haven't seen any evidence of them being worn alone, as is common in the SCA.
This being a 1340's example
http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/20 ... 6%2040.jpg

And this being a 1380's example
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... 157/large/