Looking for info on 14th century helmets

[GuntherofOrkney]

My search fu isnt very good right now. I am building my tourney suit and i wanna see what options i have for helmets for a 14th century kit. I am goin with a corazinna body armor,flared edge elbows and knees with plate greaves and vambraces,with some basic spaulders and splinted thighs.(which i havnt decided on yet) So I wanna find all the options I have for the helmet and possibly shoulder armor.

Thanks for the info.

[Dougal Forester]

Thanks to Plessis armoury.

For 14thcentury....for jousting...great helm, or frogmouth (very late 14th), or bascinet.

[Dougal Forester]

Other helms

[PatternWeld]

Here's a couple things to check out....

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_bascinet.html

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... ew=gallery

If you are not doing a "knightly" impression various kettle helms and warhats also become a viable option.

It really depends on where your impression is from, as to form and details. The Germans were the ones who held onto splinted limb defenses after the others had already gone to plate defenses.

[GuntherofOrkney]

I guess it would be a knightly kit so a kettle hat is out. I am not gonna go with a great helm because i am lookin for a sporty helmet so it looks like I am gonna have to go with a bascinet. are there any other options.

[PatternWeld]

Just within the scope of the Bascinet, you have a HUGE selection of types.

The bascinet is said to have developed out of the cervelliere which was worn under the greathelm, just as the early bascinet was. The early bascinet had no visor at all. The coif transitioned into the aventail early on. Some variations are seen like the triangular flap of mail that would cover the face and attach to the brow. Then we see the bretache come along, a nice wide & long nasal. We also see visored greathelms & sugarloaf styles, some with riveted side & back plates but with very recognizeable bascinet tops. As the greathelm started falling from fashion we see the development of the great bascinet. There are round bacinets, high point, back point, onion top, side pivot visor, center pivot visors.

Check out Wasson's Agincourt armour....

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=1380senglish

[Sean Powell]

Bascinets and great-helms are the go-to helms for 14th cent globose anything. The corazinna, as can be assumed by the Italian name "little curias", is italian in origin. Therefore if you investigate in that region you might find clap-visors (center), some 'Venician Sallets' also called 'archers sallets' (leftish), and even some proto barbutes (2nd rant bank with the nasal protection)

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239 ... acomo2.jpg

Kettle hats and bascinets seem to be more prevalent.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239 ... fresco.jpg

By the 15th cent small-plate brigandines are depicted as being contemporary with sallets as well as sloped-brim kettle-hats that have a rearward facing nipple which implies construction from a welded cone rather then raised from a plate.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239 ... can001.jpg

Downside to all of these is that a corazinna is armor for the less wealthy, who can not afford a full all-white harness with buckle-down great bascinet. I have rarely seen them depicted with face covering or chin/neck covering. Paradoxically the shape, ability to disguise lighter, non-period material and mobility improvement over a full tin can make them nearly ideal for SCA combat where steel provides no additional protective value.

A well-shaped bascinet with camail and interchangeable clap-visor of hound/pig face with an SCA sport grill is probably the best combination for sport performance and authenticity. (IMHO)

Sean Powell

[Buster]

The bascinet with aventail is the archetypal 14th century helmet.
That said, earlier in the 14th century other helmets were also worn.
This effigy http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... 770/large/ (from the search posted above) seems to show a basically rounded helmet worn over a coif, with some sort of scales attached to the side.
(Although it predates the corazinnia.)

[Dougal Forester]

For Italian, and not a typical Klap or Pig face...
http://armstreet.com/store/armor/mediev ... teel-armor

I always admired this helm...the curve of the back almost appears barbutish.

[PatternWeld]

Dougal,

That reminds me more of a visored Celeta, the forerunner of the open face sallet. Maybe early 15th century?

[GuntherofOrkney]

If i go with a bascinet i will go with a low profile back point and side pivot round face visor and a knuut aventail with a separate grill visor. I find this is the nicest looking bascinet to me.

Sean what time period is that first picture from because I like those "archers" sallets. One of those with a chain coif.(well an aventail riveted inside to look like i am wearing a coif)

I knew i would get some response from this thread,thanks guys.

[Dougal Forester]

Good article on bascinets...Personally Il ike the one above, (though it may indeed be early 15th) and the swept back rear point pig faced bascinets.

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_bascinet.html


and damn....found this web gallery as well...beautifully done
http://www.viaarmorari.com/main.php?view=10

[Sean Powell]

Sean what time period is that first picture from because I like those "archers" sallets. One of those with a chain coif.(well an aventail riveted inside to look like i am wearing a coif)

It's a close up of this:
http://mediaephile.com/forum/cgi-bin/ya ... 33218158/4

ALTICHIERO da Zevio
Scenes from the Life of St James
1376-79
Fresco
Basilica di Sant'Antonio, Padua

So it is Italian and late 14th century. If you speak French here is a brief discussion of the painting:
http://mediaephile.com/forum/cgi-bin/ya ... 33218158/4

Sean

[GuntherofOrkney]

Nice i think an "archers" sallet would work with the suit i am thinking of but that means its only gonna be an open face,unless they did have some sort of visors at those 14th century forms.

[RoaK]

When on foot they sometimes wore a kettle helm that fit over the bascinet helm; especially in siege warfare and you’re the one standing below the walls getting shit dropped or shot down on you. You’d end up with a brimmed bascinet helm look.

I’ve never seen any done in the SCA and that would make for a unique look for your persona.