In the category of "What Were They Thinking?"

Fafrnugn · Post by **Fafrnugn** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:21 pm

Thomas Bloodworth · Post by **Thomas Bloodworth** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:29 pm

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What the H@#*??? 18 GUAGE and for SCA?!?!?!
Who is this loon?

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Thomas Bloodworth

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Otto · Post by **Otto** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 10:02 pm

Not to defend this seller of pots-n-pans grade armour... but at no time does he say that it's for actual sca combat. (though sticking SCA in the title is misleading)

One would hope that perspective buyers would have a clue as to what they need for sca armour.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 10:18 pm

Well, kids, he DID also put Renaisannce (or however you'd spell that word) in the title too...and that helm would be faux-modeled after helms that are WAY before the renaisannce. And I don't hear the ren faire community bitching.

We've gone over this before. He's not saying it's combat legal. If someone in the SCA were to wear it for costume, well, that'd be their decision, I guess.

[This message has been edited by Morgan (edited 04-11-2001).]

Post by JT » Tue Apr 10, 2001 10:44 pm

Sigh.

Truthfully, while I don't like it, I can see that he isn't saying that the helms (I looked at his other items) are SCA_legal. He just says "SCA" in the title, presumably to snag people who search on that -- just like he uses both Medieval and Renaissance to describe them.

I am bothered by his calling 18 ga "heavy" and "big". I am even more bothered (though it appears that he intends the shield to be a wall decoration) when he calls 20 ga in a shield "heavy."

But those aren't what bugs me the most.
My number one complaint in his auction / text is "authentic reproduction." Yes, the dictionary even uses that phrase, but it strikes me the same as "genuine faux pearls" did when I saw that!

As a tangent on that... SCA-legal helms are, I believe, heavier gauge than historic helms. It could be that the helms, at 18 ga, are more "authentic" a reproduction than a SCA-legal one would be.

-- jt --

Constancius · Post by **Constancius** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 11:43 pm

The most disturbing thing I saw was that someone actually bid on it. //////shudder//////

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Constancius of Lincolnshire
Live and die with honor.

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:26 am

(counts on fingers)

This has been discussed four times now. Each time the consensus has been the same:

It sucks.

ARMOURERERIC · Post by **ARMOURERERIC** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:37 am

If he dropped the price to $30, ditched the brasswork, and made them from 20 ga., he would make a lot more money selling the as coleman lantern covers.

AND WE WOULD BE A LOT HAPPIER

Eric

"It's k-k-k- ken and he's going to k-k-k-kill me"

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:54 am

On the upside, it's probably the first non-stick helm in history...

- Kyle

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:11 am

Actually, folks, wasn't there a very similiar style of helm discussed about a year ago? Someone had a picture of one very similar in a museum that was thought perhaps to be a Victorian fake?

Steve

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:20 am

Look as if the chain runs from the ring on one side to the ring on the other. Would make a nice hanging planter! You think the pencil prop is included?

Patchwerk · Post by **Patchwerk** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:32 am

Maybe this helm is of authentic design. But I bet you that all the other knights laughed at its owner back then too!

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:19 am

I think it's a great idea!

Sure! Just pack it full of beef, potatos, carrots...a little parsley maybe. Then go off to war. When you get back, viola! Battlemade(tm) beef stew! So how much would you pay for this combination SCA helm and dinner pot?

But wait! There's more!

You also get this genuine historically-accurate McCloud Highlander claymore, which slices, dices and juliennes vegetables! Complete with bottle opener, corkscrew, and screwdriver kit built right into the pommel!

NOW how much would you pay??

</popeil>

Deacon

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:30 am

You're right Steve, this helmet did come up about a year ago. The helmet in question was determined to be a "19th century reproduction of a great helm" and we all decided that the person that "reproduced" this 200 years ago was out of their mind

Sasha has the book this is in (he's the one that scanned it in to begin with) and we were discussing the feasibility of barrel helms and great helms with visors. It should be somewhere in the deep recesses of the archive on the armour board...

Vermin · Post by **Vermin** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:02 am

Wow.
Someone makes a shiny dress version of a crappy freon tank helm and now it's "authentic"?
Well, I'll be damned.
I think I'll tell the collections managers/curators here at the museum.
I'll bet the can't WAIT to get their hands on an "authentic" piece of medieval history!
<grin>
VvS

schreiber · Post by **schreiber** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:27 am

yeah, i've wanted for a while to email this jackass and say "we're not falling for it, already...."

HELMUT

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:32 pm

Someone did fall for it, unfortunately. There is a $59 bid on it from an eBay user named wowbagger44.

Deacon

Garridan · Post by **Garridan** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:16 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle:
On the upside, it's probably the first non-stick helm in history...</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure some sport fighter has teflon coated their bargrill bascinet...

Kevin the Hound · Post by **Kevin the Hound** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:27 pm

I don't think teflon would hold up very well, but I have seen a nickel-plated helm (bargrill bascinet). It was peeling after extensive use.

Kevin the Hound

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Drake Orion · Post by **Drake Orion** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 12:54 pm

Hey with that chain it would make a nice cook pot for Pennsic this year!

Raselsnarf · Post by **Raselsnarf** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 2:42 pm

You know it really makes you stop and think. There is actually someone out there mass producing these things. The people who are buying this stuff think they are getting really great Helm or shield. If they only knew the truth. Ahh well Cest la vie.

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Kiernan Delaney
The Drunken Irishman

Mad Uncle Dave · Post by **Mad Uncle Dave** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 4:24 pm

Mayne the chain connects to a nipple ring to hold it in place. Didn't see a chin strap

woodwose · Post by **woodwose** » Sat Apr 14, 2001 12:43 am

hmmm... don't think I could wear a helmet that looks like it's smiling when the light hits it just right. nice cooking pot though.