Atlantian Crown

Eric · Post by **Eric** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:15 am

Is there a final list yet?

BdeB · Post by **BdeB** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:46 am

This is the most current list as of Sunday (Edited to add Egil and remove Conner Sinclair):

Sir Godfried of Frisia
Count Valharic Caligula Aurelius
Sir Robert de Rath
Talun MacDubhagain
Sinclair Hawkins
Sir Bryce de Byram
Sir Tascius Severus Fabius
Brian Killian the Red
Afshin of the White Mist
Jonathan Blackbow
Sean MacKelly
Luther Josephus
Bryan of Sacred Stone (Damuth)
Henry West
Brandon of Tipperary
Master Roland de Mounteney
Mungoe McKlinchey
Raven MacGregor
Achbar Ibn Ali
Egil Gulbjorn

Klappvisier · Post by **Klappvisier** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:01 pm

I find myself wondering how long it's going to take before we see Crown Tourney Brought to You by Nike, and a betting line in Vegas.

Honestly UnderArmor would be a better sponsor...

Tagline: Protect this castle...

Winterfell · Post by **Winterfell** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:05 pm

While I won't be fighting this time, (Life, go figure) I will be there with both digital camera and video camera. So you better wear your spiffy stuff.

DarkApprentice · Post by **DarkApprentice** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:29 pm

Here's the moment you've been waiting for!!!

Sir Godfried of Frisia- 15-1 This might be a list he can close out- how well can he do against a lefty and can he hit certain people HARD enough? A good fighter for sure, and with an excellent consort, but still not a closer.

Count Valharic Caligula Aurelius 3-1 He is so cute! He just needs to make sure he hits people hard enough to win. He is a lefty who fightsin a very different way from most of Atlantia's good lefties (Anton, Ragnar) who fight slow preceise games, where Val jumps in your face. We'll see how he does.

Sir Robert de Rath 8-1 This is one of Robert's best chances to win Crown since he finalled against Cuan back in '97

Talun MacDubhagain- 25-1 not familiar with

Sinclair Hawkins 7-1 He needs to keep his head straight and shots on target. Don't get caught up in overwhelming opponents, just beat them.

Sir Bryce de Byram 15-1 needs to win a few tournaments. Should travel to practices and work out with the "great" fighters if he wants to seriously win Crown.

Sir Tascius Severus Fabius- 25-1 Who?

Brian Killian the Red- 11-1 has been kicking butt on the Squire's Tournament scene, and certainly can beat anyone in the tournament

Afshin of the White Mist- 25-1 a good melee fighter- not that I haven't seen him beat people surprisingly with that weird jump shot, but that isn't going to win Crown.

Jonathan Blackbow- 9-1 Hit them before they hit you this time and fight cleanly

Sean MacKelly 30-1 who?

Luther Josephus 30-1 not familiar with

Bryan of Sacred Stone (Damuth) 12-1 Dammuth is a good fighter, but a bit coarse. He can beat anyone in the list, but also has the biggest potential for acknowledgement issues, as he probably has the highest calibration of anyone in this list.

Henry West 22-1 Is he related to Herbert West- Ok that is a bad Lovecraft joke.

Brandon of Tipperary- 12-1 Brandon is an up and down fighter. Although he often doesn't care about the SCA in ahistoric re-creation sort of way, he has been around forever. His past performances in Crown- especially against Michael of bedford back in the 90's show that he has the potential... If hte day is right it could certainly be Brandon's.

Master Roland de Mounteney- 25-1

Mungoe McKlinchey-20-1 he has come a long way since the days of Nauga Hyde armor, and his skill has certaily improved. Comments lile, "I train with Micahel of Bedford, so you have to hit me harder for it to be good," still haunt him and his high level of calibration. A good guy who has become a better fighter over the years, but still has history issues to contend with.

Raven MacGregor- 30-1 Who?

Achbar Ibn Ali- 25-1 Achbar is a great guy who gets caught up in the moment of fighting. He knows how to fight, but excited andforgets crucial things like combinations at inaaporpriate moments. If he were to seriously decide to learn how to "fight" instead of "flail" he could certianly be good- not many people love fighting or the SCA more than Achbar.

The Darke One

PS- these comments aren't meant to piss anyone off. Take them in the same light as color commentary by Dennis Miller please. I really don't know any of these guys and am just making it all up

BdeB · Post by **BdeB** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:43 pm

DarkApprentice wrote:Here's the moment you've been waiting for!!!
Sir Bryce de Byram 15-1 needs to win a few tournaments. Should travel to practices and work out with the "great" fighters if he wants to seriously win Crown.

Oh OH!

It hurts because it's too true!!! :lol:

WHO is Dark Apprentice?!?! HOW can he know so very much and yet be so clueless!!!

It HAUNTS MY DREAMS!!! :twisted:

(No, I'm not DA, so quit asking me! :wink:

)

Tristan vom Schwarzwald · Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:20 am

Winterfell wrote:While I won't be fighting this time, (Life, go figure) I will be there with both digital camera and video camera. So you better wear your spiffy stuff.

Two quick questions Connor: How is the Squire page project coming?

Will you make the pics and video of crown available here?

Thanks!!

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:32 am

DA, that's funny. :lol:

Although I'd certainly give Master Roland higher odds than 25-1. Maybe 12-1 or 10-1. In my mind he's the best-kept secret in Atlantian heavy combat. Having been thumped by him, I can tell you not to underestimate him.

Heairn · Post by **Heairn** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:53 am

Roland is definitely tricksy.. and he's a lefty that uses some of the non-lefty moves. The question would be is he in condition? Not living in Atlantia, I've not seen him for a year, so I've got nothing to go on. Can he get past Valhalric or Robert?

Roland has enough potential that I'd take the 25:1 and look for the line on him to "show." If he's been working, he has the experience to go all the way.

Malcolm

DarkApprentice · Post by **DarkApprentice** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:03 am

Keep in mind- my odds are only "to win." Someone might have the potential to "do well" but not win- therefore they won't get such good odds.

Roland may indeed have the shots, etc, but do you think he is "going to win?"

The Darke One

Odo · Post by **Odo** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:22 am

BdeB wrote:WHO is Dark Apprentice?!?! HOW can he know so very much and yet be so clueless!!!

It HAUNTS MY DREAMS!!!

(No, I'm not DA, so quit asking me! )

DA has made errors in the past signing his real (SCA) name to posts. He will mess up again.

Odo

Heairn · Post by **Heairn** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:05 am

DarkApprentice wrote:Keep in mind- my odds are only "to win." Someone might have the potential to "do well" but not win- therefore they won't get such good odds.

Roland may indeed have the shots, etc, but do you think he is "going to win?"

The Darke One

I have to agree with the 25:1, although I would not be adverse to calling my "Account manager" in Vegas and putting some backing on that ride. This list is pretty open with a whole lot of fairly evenly matched talent, and some strong contenders. It should be a very enjoyable day to watch and I am disappointed that I won't be able to attend to see it.

Malcolm

Winterfell · Post by **Winterfell** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:17 am

The project is comming along slowly but surely.
I am about half way through creating pages for some 90 odd squires that I have info on. I am also waiting on final confirmation from the Atlantia Web Minister to host the site there.
I will probably have pics posted within a week after crown, video maybe a little longer.

Tristan vom Schwarzwald wrote:
Winterfell wrote:While I won't be fighting this time, (Life, go figure) I will be there with both digital camera and video camera. So you better wear your spiffy stuff.

Two quick questions Connor: How is the Squire page project coming?

Will you make the pics and video of crown available here?

Thanks!!

BdeB · Post by **BdeB** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:06 pm

DarkApprentice wrote:Here's the moment you've been waiting for!!!

Count Valharic Caligula Aurelius 3-1 He is so cute! He just needs to make sure he hits people hard enough to win. He is a lefty who fightsin a very different way from most of Atlantia's good lefties (Anton, Ragnar) who fight slow preceise games, where Val jumps in your face. We'll see how he does.

Ragnarr fights a Slow, Precise Game?!?!?! :shock:

Maybe if you are tapped into the Speed Force he seems slow! :twisted:

BdeB · Post by **BdeB** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:36 pm

DarkApprentice wrote:Sir Robert de Rath 8-1 This is one of Robert's best chances to win Crown since he finalled against Cuan back in '97

It was pointed out to me (by the lady that he fought for) that Robert actually made it to the finals again (where he again lost to Cuan) in May 2002.

Dark Victory · Post by **Dark Victory** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:54 pm

HOLY STAGGERING ODDS, DA!

We should fly into Atlantia for this and open the Darkness Brothers Casino Booth! We could make a killing!!! :twisted:

And donate it to some worthy cause of course, like the "Buy Ebonwoulfe Squires Shoes Foundation" or something... :lol:

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/p33_gregor_logan.jpg[/img]

:twisted:

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:23 pm

easy cheetah

almost all of my guys wear very well done footwear. in fact most of them wear the same shoe that you do, only covered better.

logan

da, i havent sent my letter in yet but im wondering what the spread would be on that one?

Dark Victory wrote:HOLY STAGGERING ODDS, DA!

We should fly into Atlantia for this and open the Darkness Brothers Casino Booth! We could make a killing!!!

And donate it to some worthy cause of course, like the "Buy Ebonwoulfe Squires Shoes Foundation" or something...

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/p33_gregor_logan.jpg[/img]

Dark Victory · Post by **Dark Victory** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:00 pm

dukelogan wrote:easy cheetah

almost all of my guys wear very well done footwear. in fact most of them wear the same shoe that you do, only covered better.

No kidding!

Sometimes they even recycle them!

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/ssbb04_justinian_sm.jpg[/img]

Aren't those Vidar's old boots?!?! :shock:

Do you recycle other pieces and parts of inactive squires? You know, you snooze, you loose?!?! :shock:

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:08 pm

why yes, those are vidars. he gave them to justinian shortly after i squired him as a gift. i had nothing to do with that transaction as the mere thought of wearing someone elses footwear is, well, a little more than my delicate nature could handle. :shock:

regards
logan

Dark Victory wrote:
dukelogan wrote:easy cheetah

almost all of my guys wear very well done footwear. in fact most of them wear the same shoe that you do, only covered better.

No kidding! Sometimes they even recycle them!

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/ssbb04_justinian_sm.jpg[/img]

Aren't those Vidar's old boots?!?!

Do you recycle other pieces and parts of inactive squires? You know, you snooze, you loose?!?!

DarkApprentice · Post by **DarkApprentice** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:18 pm

Logan's odds are somewhere between those of Dammuth and Valharic-

Although Logan has apparently done well in a recent tournament where many of these fiighters participated, the question remains out about his ability to hold up for the course of a Crown. Granted his flat snap is working, for the moment, and his defense is probably in excellent shape (his left shoulder being fine), but his right shoulder probably can't hold utp to too many odd shots.

Basically I think that he would be a mobile flat snap platform, which against most of the people in this tournament would be fine- especially against his own Squires, who he probably has a mental edge on (like every knight should have over their kids).

His toughest fights would come from Jonathon- who is rumored to be using a new shield shape (which is always an odd choice right before Crown), Valharic, Brandon, and Robert.

If I had to put a number on him right now, I would probably place Logan in the 5 or 6-1 category, as I think he would shut down Sinclair and Bryan Killian, and most of the other guys on the field.

I might also entertain odds that he would screw up his shoulder again "going for a shot" before the day was out...

The Darke One

Sinclair Hawkins · Post by **Sinclair Hawkins** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:49 am

DarkApprentice wrote:Logan's odds are somewhere between those of Dammuth and Valharic-

Basically I think that he would be a mobile flat snap platform, which against most of the people in this tournament would be fine- especially against his own Squires, who he probably has a mental edge on (like every knight should have over their kids)...

If I had to put a number on him right now, I would probably place Logan in the 5 or 6-1 category, as I think he would shut down Sinclair and Bryan Killian, and most of the other guys on the field.

The Darke One

Although I completely agree that a Knight should be and usually is aware of every one of his Squire's weaknesses on the field and is more than capable of exploiting them all... Lets do remember that as Squires; Bryan and I have literally been hit hundreds if not thousands of times by Logan and are probably in as good a place as any to see particular shots coming at us and blocking them/getting out of the way.

Am I going to say that we will beat him, no... I am not a stupid Squire and I don't need a beating that badly right now, but I just wanted to point out that we Squires are in a peculiar position of being VERY well acquainted with the offense and defense of our Knight and have hours more experience against him than the others you mentioned.

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:03 am

that and sinclair whipped my ass a few weeks ago when we fought! so there!!

:twisted:

logan

Gregorbakhar · Post by **Gregorbakhar** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:04 am

Dark Victory wrote:HOLY STAGGERING ODDS, DA!

We should fly into Atlantia for this and open the Darkness Brothers Casino Booth! We could make a killing!!!

And donate it to some worthy cause of course, like the "Buy Ebonwoulfe Squires Shoes Foundation" or something...

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/p33_gregor_logan.jpg[/img]

Yer funny Dark - tweak up yer bifocals and notice that those are sandals that I'm wearing. I'll be REAL glad to show you my well-made period-fighting shoes - - in person

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:06 am

yeah but the socks man...... the socks....... :shock:

your loving knight,
logan

Dark Victory · Post by **Dark Victory** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:56 am

Gregorbakhar wrote:
Yer funny Dark - tweak up yer bifocals and notice that those are sandals that I'm wearing. I'll be REAL glad to show you my well-made period-fighting shoes - - in person

But are they Loaner sandals? From Vidar maybe?!?!? :shock:

Is it like bowling shoes?!? Don't be too hard on him Logan, i'd wear socks too if I had to wear someone else's footwear!!! :shock:

Darkie Dark

Gregorbakhar · Post by **Gregorbakhar** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:27 pm

Nope - those sandals are almost as old as I am. I wore the socks because I got tired of feeling bugs squish between my toes....because of the dirt.....because people kept staring at my hairy hobbit-like feet....because white socks are so cool and there was no place to put my pocket protector.....

Help me here!

k_towery · Post by **k_towery** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:35 pm

Gregorbakhar wrote:Nope - those sandals are almost as old as I am. I wore the socks because I got tired of feeling bugs squish between my toes....because of the dirt.....because people kept staring at my hairy hobbit-like feet....because white socks are so cool and there was no place to put my pocket protector.....

Help me here!

Those that were there are thankful for the covering of the hairy hobbit-like feet... :twisted:

Cyriac

Gregorbakhar · Post by **Gregorbakhar** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:49 pm

Dark Victory wrote:HOLY STAGGERING ODDS, DA!

We should fly into Atlantia for this and open the Darkness Brothers Casino Booth! We could make a killing!!!

And donate it to some worthy cause of course, like the "Buy Ebonwoulfe Squires Shoes Foundation" or something...

[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/865155/p33_gregor_logan.jpg[/img]

Yer funny Dark - tweak up yer bifocals and notice that those are sandals that I'm wearing. I'll be REAL glad to show you my well-made period-fighting shoes - - in person

Gregorbakhar · Post by **Gregorbakhar** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:26 pm

dukelogan wrote:yeah but the socks man...... the socks.......

your loving knight,
logan

Yes Sir, that you are.

So to honor my Knight's wishes, I've re-nvented myself

The New Hover-Gregor! Don't need no stinking shoes.

Gregorbakhar · Post by **Gregorbakhar** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:17 pm

One last image just so my Knight will want to hit me harder....

Rocket Squire!

CosmoCraven · Post by **CosmoCraven** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:19 pm

Ok that pic made my crappy day better thanks

I think a good caption for it could be
"Even Mutants can live normal lives in the SCA"
Craven

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:36 am

Figured I'd put it here instead of starting a new thread.

Any merchants here going to Atlantia crown this weekend? Collecting my spending money!

Sinclair Hawkins · Post by **Sinclair Hawkins** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:59 pm

Has anyone heard if there is a Final Final list of combatants? I know the betting windows cannot open until that list is out and the final odds are tabulated by our expert oddsmen, whoever they are...

Winterfell · Post by **Winterfell** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:24 pm

So far:
Sir Godfried of Frisia
Count Valharic Caligula Aurelius
Sir Robert de Rath
Talun MacDubhagain
Sinclair Hawkins
Sir Bryce de Byram
Sir Tascius Severus Fabius
Brian Killian the Red
Afshin of the White Mist
Jonathan Blackbow
Sean MacKelly
Luther Josephus
Bryan of Sacred Stone (Damuth)
Henry West
Brandon of Tipperary
Master Roland de Mounteney
Mungoe McKlinchey
Raven MacGregor
Achbar Ibn Ali
Egil Gulbjorn

Dark Victory · Post by **Dark Victory** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:45 am

My bookie sources tell me that Sir Godfried just withdrew from the Tourney.

That makes the first round look like this:

Valharic vs. Sean
Robert vs. Henri
Bryce vs. Jonathan
Roland vs. Bryan(Damuth)
Tascius vs. Brandon
Raven vs. Mungoe
Talun vs. Brian Killian
Acbar vs. Sinclair

With Afshin, Egil and Luther getting to challenge in.