brand new churberg sca armour for sale (now with pics!!)

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:43 pm

Figured out how to place photos, so here goes

The suit comes with a front and back breastplate, shoulders, full arms as well as full legs (knees, greaves, everything) and a gorget as well. It's brand new, I just purchased last week. Only problem is, it doesnt fit (i'm 5'8'' and 160lbs). Take a look, lemme know what you think or if you need more pictures. I got it at a reasonable rate, and am moving it at cost. Lemme know if youre interested~ bigbenstiller@yahoo.com

[img]http://www.photodump.com/direct/bigbenstiller/c-1473.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.photodump.com/direct/bigbenstiller/c-2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.photodump.com/direct/bigbenstiller/l-1.jpg[/img]

Eirikr the Eager · Post by **Eirikr the Eager** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:46 pm

Is it too big or too small? Measurements?

How much is cost? :wink:

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:59 pm

It was too big. The breastplate fit all right while wearing padding (it is about 46'' around). The arms are 10'' from the end of the shoulders to the middle of the elbow, and 16'' from the wrist to the middle of the elbow as well. Legs measure 22'' from the floor to the middle of the knee. Like I said before, I'm only 5'8'' and it was about 2-3 inches too big. My sister's fiancee tried it on as well, and while wearing padding had it fit him reasonably well (he's 5'11). The shoulders and arms are well articulated, allowing someone as big as 6'4 or so to fit comfortably in it.

D. Sebastian · Post by **D. Sebastian** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:01 pm

Anton · Post by **Anton** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:05 pm

I think you might want to state the details, as in what material (stainless, carbon steel, etc..) and what gauge the armor is... is it SCA legal etc etc. If the original seller has a website that lists these details that'd be ideal.

Anton

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:14 pm

It's 18-gauge steel with brass accents. Local marshall said it was SCA legal. Gorget is 16-gauge steel with heavy leather.

Raynold of Wharram · Post by **Raynold of Wharram** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:31 pm

What is the price you are looking for?

sebastian · Post by **sebastian** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:07 pm

Yes please post your desired cost.

I happen to be looking for something a bit flashy right now.

Or should we just start an ad hoc auction on it.

$150

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:06 pm

For everything, I paid a grand total of $700. Individually, I paid $375 for the arms, shoulders, and breast plate, $225 for the legs, and $ 100 for the gorget (not pictured here, but I can send you some if you're interested). If anyone's interested, let me know

Thanks guys

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:34 pm

haha apparently I may have been scammed originally, so if someone wants to make me an offer, I'm all ears.

Ideval · Post by **Ideval** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:31 pm

Scammed? Why scammed?

From the pictures, I'd say that $700 isn't very far off the mark at all.

Perhaps you are referring to the sizing?
(as in, the seller knew it wouldn't fit)

Good luck,

IdÃƒÂ«val

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:00 pm

someone sent me a PM with some mis-information. thanks for the vote of confidence though

. If anyone would be interested in some sort of deal instead, let me know. Perhaps trading pieces or such. Thanks guys

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:33 pm

Hell, my helm alone cost much more than that. (Not that I'm complaining; I had the money at the time.)

I wouldn't worry about what you paid.

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:26 pm

Price is negotiable. Lemme know if you have an offer.

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:15 pm

If the elbow and knee cops are of 18 gauge, then they would not be legal according to sca minimum standards...
This would strictly be sellable to ren fair goers or something similiar.

On a good note, if you saw something on my website you might be interested in, I might consider a trade. I like to take a look at other peoples work at times to see the good points and the bad. I assume this is from India?? Directly or indirectly.. If not, who made it..

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:18 pm

I should have also stated that everything but the elbow and knee cops sounds sca legal...

sebastian · Post by **sebastian** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:11 am

I fail to see where the 18 guage elbows and knees would not be legal.

It falls under the rigid material requirement, and as such is open to debate.
is 18 ga equivalent to 2 layers of 8 oz leather? I think so. Others may not.

Now point coverage is another arguement entirely. I would have to see the items as they are worn to make a call.

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:10 am

I know of no legitimate armory producing elbow and knee cops in less than 16 gauge mild steel. Vagueness or not..

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:57 am

Nevertheless 18 gauge steel is legal for everything except the helmet.

Loegaire mac Gilray · Post by **Loegaire mac Gilray** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:26 am

PM'd you yesterday about the arms. Lemme know

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:32 pm

My kingdom reads "16 gauge steel or equivalent", so these would not be legal in my kingdom. I forget the SCA itself has lower standards than what the actual kingdoms might accept. You could not wear those into combat here, but there might be kingdoms where you could.

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:59 pm

Thanks for everyone's help and interest. The suit has been sold, and I want to thank everyone for their support and advice.

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:49 am

Well I would like to publicly post that I was dead wrong...
I spoke to a regional marshall today who said the kingdom laws had changed "recently", but I think he meant within the past several years. When I asked why it was stuck in my head that we only accept 16 gauge (or equivalent) he said that back in the dinosaur era when I joined, that was probably convention in this kingdom.

sebastian · Post by **sebastian** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:43 am

No worries.
But that is your one slip-up for the year, any future mistakes will have to be punished accordingly.

St. George · Post by **St. George** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:06 am

I would bet that you got it from Valentine Armouries. I think that $700 would be about right for that suit from them- maybe a little less than what they normally charge for it.

It looks like it was made by Hind Handicrafts, who do most of the production work for Valentine. Most of the work from India comes in 18 ga.

do these look familiar?
http://www.varmouries.com/vcat_parts.html
http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/tourn02.jpg
http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/tourn04b.jpg

Alaric

Iron Saga · Post by **Iron Saga** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:14 am

Nah it wasn't Valentine. I forget where exactly because I lost the site, but I know it wasn't them. Haha I was thinking about purchasing a set of gauntlets from them because their trim matched the one on my suit, which I thought was funny.

Justin Livio Guidi · Post by **Justin Livio Guidi** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:28 am

No, it was from eBay, from a guy named KingsLance - he sells a lot of cheap Indian mail. What set it off was the little camera in the bottom right hand corner, only eBay has that little logo.

And $700 is way off, this set is only a little over $500. Even if you didn't get this from him... you got pretty ripped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Medieval-Armor-Breast-Plate-Spaulders-Arms-Churberg-SCA_W0QQitemZ5597912899QQcategoryZ19255QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Medieval-Armor-Legs-Knees-SCA-Articulated-NEW_W0QQitemZ5584208522QQcategoryZ19255QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

-Justin

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:36 am

The knee and elbow cops look to "flat" to function properly.Maybe I'm wrong, but they look to need more dishing or raising..Otto

brand new churberg sca armour for sale (now with pics!!)

brand new churberg sca armour for sale (now with pics!!)

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