TO Sell: mail by netting 3 into 1

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:42 am

I sell chainmail by netting 3 into 1.
Someone will interest itself?

Thomas Powers · Post by **Thomas Powers** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:30 am

You will probably need to provide more information like material used, butted or rivited links, size of link, price, etc.

Is this the mail that is typically known as 4 in 1 mail as each link has 4 others that go through it?

Thomas

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:07 pm

Size XXL. My growth is 186 centimeters and it to me to the middle of thigh. It is prepared with the netting of 3 rings into one. Butted links. Rings are made of spring steel. Internal diameter of rings 10 mm. Weight of approximately 18 kilo-Gram. At that time I have foto of it`s part.

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:17 pm

[img]http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/grov1.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/grov2.JPG[/img]

http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/grov1.JPG
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/grov2.JPG

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:21 pm

Rings are exposed anodic coating.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:33 pm

Nice!

Gregoire de Lyon · Post by **Gregoire de Lyon** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:35 am

Could you post a picture of the weave spread open? It seems that a 3-in-1 would leave big gaps, or not give you a "normal" shaped shirt.

Lord Thomas the Black · Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:15 am

The way it looks like he's got it made is just 4-in-1, but not actually connected to the fourth ring. Made this way, it won't spread out more than regular 4-in-1, but it will have spaces where a sword point or arrow can easily penetrate (not a big deal to most of us, though). Sad thing is, it's not any lighter than regular 4-in-1 maille, but it's a lot less protective.

Not to dig on this guy or anything, but this reminds me of one of the things that gets me about the M.A.I.L. site: someone makes a mistake in an existing weave, and all of a sudden they think it's a new pattern. Just because you can make a mistake consistently doesn't mean you've invented a new weave!

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:19 am

Lord Thomas the Black wrote:Not to dig on this guy or anything, but this reminds me of one of the things that gets me about the M.A.I.L. site: someone makes a mistake in an existing weave, and all of a sudden they think it's a new pattern. Just because you can make a mistake consistently doesn't mean you've invented a new weave!

Well I actually thought there were netting 3 in 1 and attempt to make something like 3 in 1 and you can see result
It`s realy not such dense netting if it 4 in 1
But it look`s nice? especially on body
You cat talk it`s mistake in netting or somebody wont`s be not such as others but I made this mail to make something special and I contented.

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:38 am

Gregoire de Lyon wrote:Could you post a picture of the weave spread open? It seems that a 3-in-1 would leave big gaps, or not give you a "normal" shaped shirt.

I will photograph the mail wholly and paste photos.

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:32 am

Just to add that I have a 4in1 spring steel Hauberk, butted (actually made with square section spring steel washers, and not by me, too much hard work). Anyway - for those that are concerned over having to repair butted maille I have found with spring steel it just doesn't happen! I purchased my hauberk about 14-15 years ago, have fought steel and full contact steel in it, and occasionally SCA this year - never lost a link or had to repair it in anyway!

Nice looking mail Vladimir!

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:14 pm

Mike Garrett (Orc) wrote:Just to add that I have a 4in1 spring steel Hauberk, butted (actually made with square section spring steel washers, and not by me, too much hard work). Anyway - for those that are concerned over having to repair butted maille I have found with spring steel it just doesn't happen! I purchased my hauberk about 14-15 years ago, have fought steel and full contact steel in it, and occasionally SCA this year - never lost a link or had to repair it in anyway!

Nice looking mail Vladimir!

Sank you
It`s indeed hard work in fact anreal to chop it down (or how it in english ... well I meen to chop a part or hole even with axe by pooting mail on stub )
such a mail...

some photos
(on me) 180kb/foto

http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/mail1.JPG
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/mail2.JPG
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/mail3.JPG
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/mail4.JPG

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:28 pm

It's lighter than mine! (mine weighs in at about 60 lb - approx 30kg)
Not sure about your neck line at the front - I think that exposes too much. Mine is higher and squarer, a little like the back of yours.

You have some nice pieces on your site.

I' particularly like the sallet with bevor (termed on your site as " Saled with the chin strap")
and also the Kulaks are very interesting!

Do you have a price list? Or prices for the two items I've mentioned?

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:32 pm

Forgot to ask - what steel do you use and what guage (thickness) ?

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:02 pm

The technical nut, is intended for not a usual nut dangle. It is braided on the machine tool from wire, section wire square, 2.4x2.4 mm. To name mark began precisely I can not (if strongly it is necessary under engineering manual I shall look) apparently spring. Quenching not strong, rings gathered after quenching (the part of rings has broken) thus we have those that bent.

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:26 pm

Vladimir - I meant what thickness steel do you use for your plate armour, helms and so on?

2.4mm square is quite thick! That should stand upto a lot of hitting!

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:28 pm

Mike Garrett (Orc) wrote:Vladimir - I meant what thickness steel do you use for your plate armour, helms and so on?

2.4mm square is quite thick! That should stand upto a lot of hitting!

For helms 2mm
Plate, legs, arms 1.5mm

Befor with time mainly were used mild still
Began work with carbon steel
have some sq miters of thickness 1.6 and 2.5 mm "st45" (0.45% carbon)

For fast
I tried translate our prise-list http://armoryz.kiev.ua/index.php?sct=price
with this http://world.altavista.com/
Russian-English translashion
And it`s wery good-reeding rezalts

Nearest days will do normal english-prise version

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:09 pm

Mike Garrett (Orc) wrote:It's lighter than mine! (mine weighs in at about 60 lb - approx 30kg)
Not sure about your neck line at the front - I think that exposes too much. Mine is higher and squarer, a little like the back of yours.

You have some nice pieces on your site.

I' particularly like the sallet with bevor (termed on your site as " Saled with the chin strap")
and also the Kulaks are very interesting!

Do you have a price list? Or prices for the two items I've mentioned?

On site we ask for such salet
150$ and 20$ for simple gorget
Kulaks we have photos on site were made 3 years ago
I was madind it 10$ for one
now I think prise for one no less then 20$
but consignment less then 5-10 item is not relevant

Have practically finished salet http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/salad/
73 centimeter size
2mm thickness mild steel
with our liner it sits good on head 58-60 centimeter size

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:48 am

Nobody need mail?

Vladimir, Zaets · Post by **Vladimir, Zaets** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:37 am

Some mory photous:
[img]http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/grov13.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/grov14.JPG[/img]
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/grov14.JPG
http://www.armoryz.kiev.ua/arhive/mail/grov13.JPG