Most Impressive Melee Units and why?

Duke Icefalcon · Post by **Duke Icefalcon** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:06 pm

OK. This is just to rule out the home base bias...

They have to be from Kingdoms outside your own or your neighboring Kingdoms.

For example- I live in the East, so I cannot pick units from the East, Atlantia, or Aethelmearc.

My favorites are:

House Darkyard from the Mid- Large and well organized. It takes a great deal of leadership to run a unit this large for so long. Duke Brannos is a very charismatic man.

House Asgard from Trimaris- Great lineage of fine knights and strong fighters who work well together. Strong archers.

Western Spartans- Small unit who are disciplined and fully commited to the art of war. Great heroes in this unit.

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:17 pm

I'd agree with Asgarde... love fighting those guys in Gulf Wars... lots of good scutum on scutum action....

Ebonwolf guys... hard fighters hard competitors, not hard feelings. You thump them, they thump you, no big deal either way.

Outlands Landschnect guys are really good.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:16 pm

Certainly not disagreeing what I've seen so far, and not trying to buff the helm of His Grace, but the Bloodguard guys are tough to roll up against. Helluva fight.

Duke Icefalcon · Post by **Duke Icefalcon** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:36 pm

Thanks Morgan. Not trying to get a helm buffing either....

I travel a bit in the SCA for business and always find it interesting to look at and hear about units that I do not encounter often. I think that it is right to give these guys cudos for the good job that they have done with their units.

I am also curious to hear of excellent units that I might not have heard of yet, due to my limited travel experience.

Mansur · Post by **Mansur** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:27 pm

The Caidan Royal Army's 2nd Brigade...also known as the Iron Brigade of Calafia.

Maybe I'm just biased...but IMO it's truly a force to be reckoned with.

All of the warbands that make up the Iron Brigade are formidable, the best being Corvus, Drafn, The Orkneys and The Myrmidons (in no particular order).

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:31 pm

The Tuchux of recent years. Their small unit tactics and Drilled decipline are tight. Not to mention they are hard hitters and chargers.

Duke Icefalcon · Post by **Duke Icefalcon** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:46 pm

Remember; I am looking for groups outside your local area. I want to hear of units that have impressed you without any bias.

I hope this thread grows. I do not know much of the units on the west coast and I would like to know of them through the eyes of folks from other areas. It gives the best unbiased view.

BTW- I agree about the Tuchux. They have come a long way!

Cheers!

Thorstenn · Post by **Thorstenn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:05 pm

Well I cant tell where they are from or what houses their from but at Gulf wars I'm always impressed with the Middle kingdom and Glenn-ahbenn (sp) they fight great and have a uniform look to their ranks. Also there is no lack of skill in Calontier (sp). But again I cannot tell separate units.

VaVat!!! to all the mighty Kingdoms that send troops to Gulf wars.

Kaliban · Post by **Kaliban** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:55 pm

hmm hard one so i will go with

the Markland army . why its a good group of young an energetic fighters made up of different groups from different areas coming together as one all mercs an good skirmishers ..

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:01 am

The Great Northern Army form the East Kingdom....

They are quite possibly the MOST formidable group of fighters I have ever fought with and against in the Known World.

Feral VonHalstern and Balfar and Lucan have some great dedication and Leadership to keep that many people motivated, focused and dedicated to the single-minded task of consistantly fielding a quality Army every year.

I have explained it like this....

Many Kingdoms field great fighters that come together once a year to be an good Army.

the East fields a great Army that also has great fighters among it.

however minor it may seem....that is a big difference in philosophy and its what makes them so great.

(I fight with Darkyard often, and train with Brannos twice a week...so I cant pick them due to bias or I would wholeheartedly agree with you)

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:02 am

Thorstenn wrote: Also there is no lack of skill in Calontier (sp). But again I cannot tell separate units.

Calontir has 4 companies:
First company: Scutum wall and major artillary
Second company: Secondary shields and minor artillary
Third company: Skirmishers
Forth Company: Waterbearers

You will mostly see 1st, 2nd, and 4th companies at GW. We ussually don't have enough to feild skirmishers as well.

Sir Siegfried · Post by **Sir Siegfried** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:56 am

I'll say if Ice won't. I fought with Bloodguard at the last Gulf Wars. Tight, disciplined, and 100% aggresion. Great crew.

Ldy Wu · Post by **Ldy Wu** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:12 am

Siegfried, may I say that no one fights with more heart than Northshield. I've never seen a group have more fun on the field than you guys. And your waterbearers are the BEST in the knowne world. Can't fight without them can you? :wink:

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:43 am

Ldy Rhiannon wrote: And your waterbearers are the BEST in the knowne world. Can't fight without them can you?

Thems might just be fight'n words to our waterbearers! LOL :shock:

Ldy Wu · Post by **Ldy Wu** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:47 am

Irish, I just got a very funny picture of a waterbearer catfight. Oh dear. :lol:

And anyway, all waterbearers rock. That's why they get the big bucks.

Eduard · Post by **Eduard** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:37 pm

Jean Paul de Sens wrote:I'd agree with Asgarde... love fighting those guys in Gulf Wars... lots of good scutum on scutum action....

Ebonwolf guys... hard fighters hard competitors, not hard feelings. You thump them, they thump you, no big deal either way.

Outlands Landschnect guys are really good.

The Outlands have Landschect? Really?

Or do you mean the Atenveldt group? If so, I agree with you. They are a great war unit. Savagely good.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:08 am

Ldy Rhiannon wrote:Irish, I just got a very funny picture of a waterbearer catfight. Oh dear.

What do we throw on them to make them stop? :wink:

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:09 am

Ldy Rhiannon wrote:Irish, I just got a very funny picture of a waterbearer catfight. Oh dear.

What do we throw on them to make them stop? :wink:

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:11 am

Water....as long as they are all wearing white Chemises.....

*runs away ducking*

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:51 am

sarnac wrote:Water....as long as they are all wearing white Chemises.....

*runs away ducking*

mmmmm white chemise LAAAYWLLLL LAAAWLLL *tongue hanging out all Homeresque* :twisted:

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:37 am

eduard wrote:
Jean Paul de Sens wrote:I'd agree with Asgarde... love fighting those guys in Gulf Wars... lots of good scutum on scutum action....

Ebonwolf guys... hard fighters hard competitors, not hard feelings. You thump them, they thump you, no big deal either way.

Outlands Landschnect guys are really good.

The Outlands have Landschect? Really?

Or do you mean the Atenveldt group? If so, I agree with you. They are a great war unit. Savagely good.

Well, I dunno. I see them at Estrella, and they were on the Aten/Outlands side I think ( 2 Estrella's ago)...I think someone told me they were Outlanders...

Sir Wilhelm vonOstenbruke · Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:21 pm

Ldy Rhiannon wrote:Irish, I just got a very funny picture of a waterbearer catfight. Oh dear. And anyway, all waterbearers rock. That's why they get the big bucks.

Hmmmm... new war point maybe? LOL!

GerhardHDM · Post by **GerhardHDM** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:59 pm

Well, the East is lucky to have several units of great note but currently I believe that VDK (out of the Northern Army) has become a very major player. They are disciplined, aggressive and most importantly, smart. They seem to have some thinkers on the field and react very well. They are my favorite unit to fight against. Always intense, clean and fun.

I have great respect for House Bloodguard and there is no doubt to the aggression and prowess of the members of that house but I only seem to run into them in the woods so it is hard to judge the overall stability and discipline of the unit. Regardless, they make my list because they are a tough, skilled opponent. Your Grace, does Bloodguard run any poles and/or spears? It's all sword and shield whenever I see you in the woods so I was just curious.

I am very excited to see the direction House Ebonwolfe takes over the next few years. I had the pleasure of meeting a few of the lads and they are great and I mean great on and off the field.

I am also in agreement with several of you that I think the Tuchux are looking solid. They have become a HIGHLY effective unit that plays well in most roles. The East has been using this unit to GREAT effect over the last few years. They are a fun fight without a doubt. It is obvious that they are working harder and smarter.

Sadly, I am not familiar enough with the other kingdoms units to make a call. I am not that well traveled.

Gerhard

Duke Icefalcon · Post by **Duke Icefalcon** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:26 pm

The house has skill in poles and spears as well as sword and shield. This past weekend our house faced off against VDK as a matter of fact, using mostly spears. They are a solid unit, and Lucan gets much respect for his command prowess, both strategically and on the tactical level.

We just try to use the right form for the individual battle we are fighting in.

Cheers!

Lucan Dux · Post by **Lucan Dux** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:46 pm

Your Grace,

Your Haus fought well in your absence. They showed both discipline and prowess. Your spears worked quite well together and Sir Konrad lead well.

Lucan Dux · Post by **Lucan Dux** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:59 pm

This is my group when I think of top units outside the East, in no particular Order,

Atlantia: House Bedford and Ebonwoulfe
AEthelmearc: Tiger's Guard
Mid Realm: Darkyard, and Darkmoon
Trimaris: Asgard
West: Spartans

Tuchux

Lucan Dux · Post by **Lucan Dux** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:17 pm

Gerhard,
Thank you for your words. My folks work very hard and to hear our annual opponents praise us, is praise indeed.

DELETEMYACCOUNT · Post by **DELETEMYACCOUNT** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:48 pm

Thank you guys for the compliments. Most kind of you to recognize the hard work we've been doing. I'd like to return the compliments to Bloodguard, having had a bunch of great scraps with those guys over the years. Also personal respect to Ice and others I've gotten the opportunity to meet. Great guys.
Sadly, I'd love to compliment other units that I've seen do great things over the years by name, but I dont know their names. Suffice to say that in my opinion the quality of fighting in the big battles has risen greatly over the past few years and I'm having a ball