English? who wants to see that?

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:39 pm

Well, here we are begining another suit, this one is english warwick effigy, just in it's infancy, No one wants to see another one of these making of things do they?

oh, this one is spring steel.

Magnus The Black · Post by **Magnus The Black** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:49 pm

keep bringing it!

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:51 pm

Wot Maggy sed; 'tis yummy.

A detail question: in a two-piece breast and plackart, how tidy does the lower edge of the breastplate need to be to work properly? The topmost pic shows a decidedly wavy cutline, which may have been straightened out in the profile shot (very helpful for teaching the rest of us the contours of a globose breast and back, btw. Many thanks.) further down. So, do we need really straight, a particular shape of curve, or does a bit of a homemade wobble really not matter a durn?

Denomyar · Post by **Denomyar** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:16 am

Yes please.

Thanks,
Raymond

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:26 am

Killer!

Patrick you rock. May your shop never fall quiet!... unless you work at your house and your baby's nappin'

Can you post the effigy, you are working from?

Ugo · Post by **Ugo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:38 am

hmmm... I dunno, I, I don't think you can do it....

matthijs · Post by **matthijs** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:05 am

Wahoo, another Armour-Pr0n packed thread by patrick!

Magmaforge · Post by **Magmaforge** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:47 pm

Please Patrick, do show us your work as you progress!

And, as VRIN said, can someone put up an image of the Warwick effigy referenced?

Brian Belding · Post by **Brian Belding** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:57 pm

Yes. We would all love to see another suit made!

I cant wait

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:37 pm

Nah, seen 'em once, seen 'em all...

German armour, man, no inferior Italian or English stuff!

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:03 pm

Actually, doesn't the Richard Beauchamp effigy wear armour with a lot of Italian characteristics? I recall Peter Fuller and some others thinking it might have Venitian origin, stylistically.

After all, it doesn't have the symetrical tasset layout, and the fluteing a lot of English effigies have.

German stuff? Talk about inferior!

Weren't you loistening to the lectures at the Conference, Ralph? Who needs that ill tempered, soft metaled, heavy-assed sort of monstrousity.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:22 pm

What was it Dr. Williams called it? "Medieval crap metal." Or to mangle it in the language of choice... mittelalterisch scheissmetall.

Klaus

Ugo · Post by **Ugo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:32 pm

SPANK!

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:33 pm

Patrick, what gauge of spring steel are you using for this cuirass?

Cedri · Post by **Cedri** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:38 pm

Come on now Patrick!! What kinda question is that, its been too long between armor fixes

We wanna see patterns and blood stains, cause all know its truly not a work of art unless ya bleed alittle. How's the little 'en doing, you're back to work so you must be gettin sleep

Cedri
Good Journeys

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:57 pm

Patrick doesn't bleed; when his flesh is punctured, he just leaks Mountain Dew.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:47 pm

Regular or Diet?

Cedri · Post by **Cedri** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:03 pm

Josh does that mean we have to keep him in transfusions?

Cedri
Good Journeys

Justin Livio Guidi · Post by **Justin Livio Guidi** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:41 pm

Hey! Look at this! Another major project starting up almost a year after the one you just finished.

May this one be just as interesting, if not better!

-Justin

...Yay!

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:06 am

see, I think Ugo may be right, I should just quit now.........
Let's see, since I had the baby I finished the suit, made 4 helmets(spring steel sallet, burgonet, and bascinet, then a part spring steel and mild steel bascinet with 3 visors) , parts of a large aluminum and oak church sacramental table, a large aluminum church cross, a 14" raised copper baptismal bowl, 30+ steel and silver conchos for a local sadler, dozen's and dozens of buckles and hinges and what not's, I have now started another suit, a raised spring steel hat (the skull is completed) and 3 large steel and copper speak-easies, let's see, the baby is now 11 weeks, JEEZ I best get back to work already

Sleep, Sleep is for wussies....
Ok, I've got to get this suit done in a pretty quick manner so no dilly dalling this time around, wich also means I won't be able to spend as much time clicking pics and posting tons of stuff on how it's going, sorry all. I think I may be getting a nice gothic suit lined up, but we'll see how that goes, may be one of those piece at a time deals. Either way pics of that will be fun

Josh, it's all 16 and 18 for the breast and back here.
Cedri, what are these pattern things people always talk about, I'm thinking I should get some sometime

Konstantin, It doesn't have to be all clean and super straight or anything but you don't want it cutting up the customer either, when you see the originals they aren't all that charming when you look at their insides, I bet my innards aren't all that pretty either.....

Galfrid atte grene · Post by **Galfrid atte grene** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:15 am

It's always great watching your work progress. Thanks for the photos.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:13 am

Your welcome Galfrid

belmtho · Post by **belmtho** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:40 am

just curious as i am attemping something like this myself actually inspired by your last suit, but it looks like the fauld lanes have all been worked alot did they start out as straight peices of metal and then raised to right shape?
cheers
tom

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:49 am

Nice!

Is this the kit we talked about? Has the schedule been moved up? You mentioned needing to finish it quickly...

-Tasha

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:00 pm

Back to the original question of what we would like to see. . . I would like to see some partly completed pics of the leg or arm cop fans being stretched in that particular Italian way. I am having trouble stretching mine enough to form that artistic V crossection that they should have while retaining the pronounced curve that puts them accross the inside of the joint. I have tried William Hurts coldworking tutorial on the subject and while it works fine for the weakly curved german leg fan he shows I have got to believe there is some other hot working technique for the strongly curved Italian arms such as are on the Avent armour.

I think the work is done over the edge of the anvil from the back of the piece with a cross pean or raising hammer. Still, some pics of the fan partly stretched would be helpful.

chrisvika · Post by **chrisvika** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:28 pm

Mr. Capwell would call it an "Italian Export" as opposed to "English" armour (he uses "Italian Export" in a different sense than it is normally used, to signify an armour with mainly Italian features, but a few concessions to "barbarian" taste).

-Christian

BTW, I'm really looking forward to seeing your progress on this suit, Patrick.

chef de chambre wrote:Actually, doesn't the Richard Beauchamp effigy wear armour with a lot of Italian characteristics? I recall Peter Fuller and some others thinking it might have Venitian origin, stylistically.

After all, it doesn't have the symetrical tasset layout, and the fluteing a lot of English effigies have.

German stuff? Talk about inferior! Weren't you loistening to the lectures at the Conference, Ralph? Who needs that ill tempered, soft metaled, heavy-assed sort of monstrousity.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:27 pm

Lorenzo, I'll try and remember to take pics of the progress on those. Patrick

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:33 pm

It was right under my nose AAotMK pg 114 says:

"...gilt bronze effigy of Richard Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, c 1450 (after Stothard) The earl wears a Milanese harness, typical of those worn in the early part of the Wars of the Roses."

Patrick is your client getting a helm like the one the earl is resting his head on as well?

So does anyone know why his hands are apart like that? Was he holding a smaller helmet? or is that as close as he can get his hands together to pray?

Ugo · Post by **Ugo** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:25 am

There's an inscription which says..."Meo phallus ci magnum est"
(my penis is this big)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Mischief managed.

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:01 am

Those extra faulds and that little bit of shaping/clamping on the chest suddenly make it look 20-30 years older/earlier. It's starting to whisper "kastenbrust" at me

Looking great!!!

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:37 am

Patrick, thanks!

Ugo, you forgot to mention the location of the inscription, it makes a difference.

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:13 am

Ugo !!!

Dammit, do you know how hard it was for me NOT to go there!

I am glad there are others in the gutter for company!

OpForce · Post by **OpForce** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:56 pm

You can almost hear Beauchamp saying, "I once caught a fish this big..."

Sorry, couldn't help it.

EG

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:34 pm

well, I guess parts is parts
Vrin, we are discussing helmet options currently, it sounds like he may want more than one visor on this thing.

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:12 am

Got to love the way the waist on that breast wasps in. The client must be in pretty good shape.