PHOTOS: The Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:47 pm

Hey folks,

I haven't had time to contact anyone at Arador about a new gallery yet, and I know I've mentioned the trip we took to Vienna with our choir to a few of the board members, here. Well, Justin Guidi and myself got a chance to spend about four hours in the three open rooms of the Hopsburg Palace arms and armour gallery. We took several hundred pictures, and I have several dozen that turned out really well that I'd like to share. I'll start with some and add as I can.

Because I was rushing around inside of the place for so long and looking at so much, I did not remember the details to many suits except for those that were already famous, which doesn't really do much good:D So, I apologize for the lack of information I can provide for these.

Enjoy!

-Gerhard-

(EDIT: It seems that people are downloading the attachments in hopes of seeing some more stuff. The attached images are the same as the posted once, as I just transferred the attachments to viewable photos with the URL links.)

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:56 pm

Fourth-sixth image...

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:11 pm

Images seven-nine...

Krieger · Post by **Krieger** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:17 pm

Oh my god....

I love you.

Nice shots

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:21 pm

End of the first dozen. I'll do another dozen tomorrow.

-Gerhard-

Justin Livio Guidi · Post by **Justin Livio Guidi** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:06 pm

Hey, good to see you got some on today, I was thinking about posting the few that I have - but then soon realizing (due to the fact that we couldn't use flash) that most of my pictures really weren't worth posting.

-Justin

Duco de Klonia · Post by **Duco de Klonia** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:22 pm

Hey- those pics are nice!
Hop- into my database!

Thanks!

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:38 pm

What is that cylinder at the top of the shield/gauntlet thing?

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:46 pm

Durasteel Corporation wrote:What is that cylinder at the top of the shield/gauntlet thing?

I'm betting that would be the lantern part of the lantern shield.

I must say that shield raises more questions for me than it gives answers. For example, the handle that is only attached at one end and that seems to put the hand - gauntlet or no - out into harm's way.

And then there's that bit of blade sticking out below the handle, that appears to be coming out of something that looks rather like a sheath or scabbard attached to the shield ... ?

Great pictures Greg, thank you for sharing.

Gavin

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:57 pm

Pavise!

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:00 pm

Yeah, I'm not to sure about what this thing is about, either. I have a page on it in the museum's catalog of famous pieces, but it's in German. I'll have to have it translated. I'm not sure whether Justin or my friend Jared took this photograph of the front, but it came out great.

I'll note that the blade there slides out of the scabbard at the bottom. Also, there's the hole for the lantern (?) on the front, too.

-Gregory-

[img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... 65_777.jpg[/img]

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:20 pm

It is a lantern.

Brother Justin · Post by **Brother Justin** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:12 pm

It's the swiss army war buckler.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:28 pm

Gerhard von Liebau wrote:Yeah, I'm not to sure about what this thing is about, either. I have a page on it in the museum's catalog of famous pieces, but it's in German. I'll have to have it translated. I'm not sure whether Justin or my friend Jared took this photograph of the front, but it came out great.

I'll note that the blade there slides out of the scabbard at the bottom. Also, there's the hole for the lantern (?) on the front, too.

-Gregory-

[img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... 65_777.jpg[/img]

They are , I believe, Venitian in origin. They are bucklers carried by bodyguards of the wealthy, with integral lamps. Mid -late 16th century anti-mugging deterants.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:38 pm

Krag has a pic of a similar, but MUCH busier one from The Musee d'Armee in Paris.

There is at least one lantern shield in Leeds.

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:06 pm

It's the swiss army war buckler.

Teutons · Post by **Teutons** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:12 pm

Wow those pictures are wonderfull. I especially like the painted sallet. Are there any bascinets?

Krieger · Post by **Krieger** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:24 pm

[quote="Gerhard von Liebau"]End of the first dozen. I'll do another dozen tomorrow.

-Gerhard-

You're trying to turn me on, aren't you?

ushumgal · Post by **ushumgal** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:20 am

Hey Gerhard, too bad I didnt know you were coming, or we could have met up!!

You took these photos in the RÃƒÂ¼stungkammer? I thought they didn't allow photos there! Damn, now I need to charge up my batteries and head back for another visit!

Great photos, thanks for posting them.

Jamie
LU2.DUB.SAR

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:37 am

adam Drotleff wrote:Wow those pictures are wonderfull. I especially like the painted sallet. Are there any bascinets?

The Kunsthistorichesmuseum has two complete early 15th century bascinets. Both are published in their catalog, I believe they might have one or two more bascinet skulls, mid 14th century (excavated). The complete bascinets have also recently been published in ARS journal #1.

Please note, the first pair I refer to are hundskull bascinets, intended to be worn with aventails - not great bascinets, which they also have one or two of, mid 15th century.

white mountain armoury · Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:57 am

you would not happen to have another angle of the Ferdinand of Aragon Helmet ?

B. Fulton · Post by **B. Fulton** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:58 am

Well I know where "I'M" going when I get up to Vienna in a month or two.

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:45 pm

Adam, here's a small image of the Ferdinand suit from their official site:

I'll get some more images up later, but here're three to snack on. Without the ability to use flash or a tripod, it's hard to take good pictures in there! So, some of the most crisp shots were displayed yesterday. From here on out they won't be AS nice.

Cheers!

-Gregory-

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:21 pm

And now let me get to some helmets for you kind folks!

-Gerhard-

white mountain armoury · Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:42 pm

Actually i was after another angle of that crazy kettle hat

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:44 pm

And a little bit more!

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:58 pm

Oh, sorry Adam. That image and one in the museum book from a very similar angle are the only two I have. Here are the last three images for today.

-Gerhard-

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:04 pm

The "early sallet" is in the catalog as a 'French' or 'Flemish' sallet, circa 1460-70

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:27 pm

So it's not early. It's just funky

Thanks for clearin' that up, Chef. You da' man!

-Gregory-

James Arlen Gillaspie · Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:15 pm

A 204, the 'salmet', is one of the earliest true closehelms still around, and a direct ancestor of the most typical 'Maximilian' closehelm.

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:32 am

Do you have any information on that 3/4 harness? The one listed as pic166. I love those bazu-gaunts. Is it justr me, or are those pauldrons overlapping from bottom over top, instead top over bottom?

Killer killer pics.

Thanks.
Christopher

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:39 am

I don't have any more information about that particular harness, or either of these... But, they have the same deal with the elongated gauntlets, but a tad bit of change in the upper portions. The pauldrons do overlap upward, as far as I can make it out.

I'm glad you like the pictures, sir!

-Gerhard-

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:43 am

Wow...163, is that an anime that has the "button" middle closure? And a simulated cross on a chain? Very interesting idea. Wonder how that front closure/anime bottom works....

Take me next time you go to Vienna...lol.

Christopher

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:18 am

It has two sneck hooks, top and bottom. The post in the center is to keep it located properly.

Eirikr the Eager · Post by **Eirikr the Eager** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:18 am

chef de chambre wrote:The "early sallet" is in the catalog as a 'French' or 'Flemish' sallet, circa 1460-70

I wonder if there is a close relationship in design to the Coventry sallet??