Some pic of my work

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 3:13 pm

Hi

Now that i heve some photos of my work on the net i want to share them with you and you will tell me what i have done wrong. [img]http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/Dsc00045.jpg[/img]
[img]http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/Dsc00046.jpg[/img]
Now i hope this shows up but if not here is the link
http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/index.htm

The helmet is my first advanced project(something more tham jus dishing a pice of scrap) Is made out of 2mm thick mild steel plate.

1 I know that the nasal if flat but i have no idea how to bend it
2 I know that the panels could ude more planishing but i have no decent planishing stake yet
3 It is only sanded with 100 grit paper and it shines because it is painted.

I would like your opinions and show me some mercy im only 17.....

Edited to correct the picture reference -- case is significant, and the original was "dsc..." instead of "Dsc..." -- jt --

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Siggy · Post by **Siggy** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 3:29 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gocin:
Hi

Now that i heve some photos of my work on the net i want to share them with you and you will tell me what i have done wrong. [img]http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/dsc00045.jpg[/img]
[img]http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/dsc00046.jpg[/img]
Now i hope this shows up but if not here is the link
http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/index.htm

The helmet is my first advanced project(something more tham jus dishing a pice of scrap) Is made out of 2mm thick mild steel plate.

1 I know that the nasal if flat but i have no idea how to bend it
2 I know that the panels could ude more planishing but i have no decent planishing stake yet
3 It is only sanded with 100 grit paper and it shines because it is painted.

I would like your opinions and show me some mercy im only 17.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Impressive. A planishing stake would help you out a bunch, and a little work on getting the shape of the nasal to look a little better would make that quite a nice little helm. Probably just running a crease down the middle of it would make it look almost right. Keep up the good work! Oh, and look up how to do pictures in html again. I had to point directly to the URL of the pics.

Siggy

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Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 5:22 pm

Durn good! You can put the nasal in a Vee notch in a piece of wood. Then hit it on the inside with a hammer and a brick chisel.
That will put a nice crease down the center of it.

What sort of rivets are thoes?

All and all I like it.

Hal.

Ps: From one that is fond of spangen helms anyway.

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 5:51 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Halberds:
Durn good! You can put the nasal in a Vee notch in a piece of wood. Then hit it on the inside with a hammer and a brick chisel.
That will put a nice crease down the center of it.

What sort of rivets are thoes?

All and all I like it.

Hal.

Ps: From one that is fond of spangen helms anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like roofing nails to me. Zinc coated IMO

Sebatian

BTW:That is a very nice piece. I just finished my first Visby COP. Still working on my stump.

Melee · Post by **Melee** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 7:10 pm

Excelent, better than my helm. O and im 14. The adeverage age of the modern armour is falling. Also, if i may, do you have the pattern im trying to make a simple skull cap and build everything off that.

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HugoFuchs · Post by **HugoFuchs** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 8:27 pm

First, excellent effort. Looks real good.

I'm going to make some criticize it now, just for future thought. Don't take it wrong as that looks alot better than my first.

The nasal should bend at the bottom of the brow band, not at the rivets. and it needs a bit of shaping. But those are minor points.

Larien · Post by **Larien** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 8:50 pm

From one newbie armourer to another, I think you've done a BLOODY good job on that helm. Sure, it ain't perfect, but I think it shows a really good understanding of basic armouring! One of the things I want to attempt soon is a Helm.. I'm thinking a Great Helm for starters, but Spagenhelms are also appealing.

Great job man!

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Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:34 pm

Hi

Thanks guys for the dood words.
the rivets are 4mm flat head aluminium ( cut them in half and you will get a t shape)

Gocin

(Oh and thanks TJ i just new i armouring and computers....)

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:03 am

Gocin,

First, a good effort. Your planishing is nothing to be ashamed of - on the contrary, it's quite excellent, especially for a first attempt.

The main areas you seem to be hitting trouble are in the frame, not the panels.

The point where one framing strip goes over the other is always difficult, because of the gap caused by the crossover. You have to either live with the gap or bend the metal to get rid of it, and neither look good.

In fact, I don't know of any historical helmet where they actually cross. Usually you either see a front-to-back strip with two side strips joining it at the top(with no overlap) or four strips all joining at the top. Earlier spangenhelms had some form of disk and spike at the top, which covered the join and enabled some overlap for fixing the strips at the top. These are fairly easy to make, and you might think about using them.

I'd say not to use aluminium rivets - they're just not strong enough to stand up to use. Use roofing nails - they're pretty much the same shape as the aluminium ones, but you have to cut them short to get a good size for rivetting.

The next thing I'd advise is to rivet with the flat heads inside, not outside, and learn how to make a domed head on a rivet. You can find out how here and there's more on spangenhelms here. These sites are going to change their URL soon, but I'll be letting everyone know when the time comes.

Make sure when you practice doming your rivets that you're only joining scrap metal - it takes a while to get it neat, and you'll probably waste quite a few while you're learning.

You can also buy domed headed rivets ready made, and the rivets you see on extant helmets are in fact just as good as the ones available commercially.

To shape the nasal, you can either flute it (there's a writeup on how to do that in the Armour Archive's armouring essays), or make a separate nasal (which was often done historically), and shape that. You might thik of decorating it, too. That was fairly common.

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Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 7:58 am

Thanks guys

Thank you Egfroth for the constructive criticism, info and the links in the future i will try to make a helm like that

Melle this helm is made by using info and patterns from www.arador.com

Thank for all the good and bad words

Gocin

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:13 am

Ok because i like your bad

words tell me what do you think of that

[img]http://priv.ckp.pl/images/Dsc00044.jpg[/img]

( I hope i'v done this rigth this time but JT please help me i i haven't...)

So:

1 I have a planishing stake ( a 4 inch steel ball) but is to small for it SO its not planished that good
2 In the botom there are a lot of tiny holes because its badly welded( i have an electric welder)
3 The flute is ...bad

But beside if that what do you think?

And sitll remember im 17 and armouring got in to my life about 5 months ago....

Gocin

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:15 am

@#$@!!#$*&!! so it is a lesson to me not to post the pictures like that but just to post a link.....

For the last time JT help me please....

Sasuke · Post by **Sasuke** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 9:13 am

Is this what you were trying to post?
[img]http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/Dsc00044.jpg[/img]

You forgot to include "kuznia" in your link. You had "http://priv.ckp.pl/images/Dsc00044.jpg" instead of "http://priv.ckp.pl/kuznia/images/Dsc00044.jpg"

You are doing great work. I wish I would have started when I was your age!

Sasuke

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Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 1:55 pm

Hmmm ....
Thanks Sasuke for posting this imame and yes i wanted to post it but i made a mistake sa usual....saad.

But anyway i don't belive that any of you guys have nothing to say about my breast plate, comon i'v started making "armour" after i saw this page and you guys sharing info and pic, all of you are role models for me. Say something nice to me so i could continue my work with a heart full of happines ...

Gocin

Will Knight · Post by **Will Knight** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 2:33 pm

I don't armour, but I'm damn impressed.
-Will Knight

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 2:55 pm

Gocin, how well do the shoulders on that breastplate fit? They look a little thin to me. Or perhaps that is just the angle of the photo? Do you have shoulder protection to go with that piece? I'm wondering if there is going to be a problem with gapping between the breastplate and your shoulder armor. One more thing, post a picture of the back of the piece so we can see the construction methods you used. Overall a good effort.

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:04 am

Hi

Well Lorenzo2 is like that:
they are a bit thin but hey i'm just a beginer..
i can't post some more pic because i don't have tham but if that helps ist made using the patern from ageofarmour
the shoulders don fit good because the part where is the flute there is a gap about 3 cm betwean mu chest and the metal
i have no shoulders protection but maby in the future...
Thanks for pointing the weak sides of my armour...
DziÃªki za caÂ³Â± pomoc jakÂ± od was otrzymaÂ³em

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Melee · Post by **Melee** » Wed Oct 02, 2002 8:00 pm

Thanks for the link.

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"Melee here forging a better forge, defending our defences, and offending our offencers"