Raising a magic mushroom:-)

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:46 pm

Hello guys,

in the beginning the plan was to practise rising on something pointed, originally "norman" conical helmet. I started with 12 ga 42 cm diameter starting blank. After first dishing pass and four rising passes things looked fine
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/k5.jpg[/img]

but after four more passes I got something, what my girlfriend called magic mushroom, not so bad shape in my opinion but very large for the norman helmet
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/k9.jpg[/img]

after forming a conical helmet, there would be so much material wasted on the lower edge, so I changed my mind (as this was not a custom work) to go with the kettle hat. I forged the formed brim on the anvil using a cross-peen to make it wide enough and added another 1,5 cm on each side to it (it also help to make the brim thinner)
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kf.jpg[/img]

then just rolling and planishing and polishing... still needs padding and strapping
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom3.jpg[/img]

I hope you will like it

all the best

Jiri

Gregoire de Lyon · Post by **Gregoire de Lyon** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:59 pm

With the utmost respect, I must say that I hate you.

Very, very nice work.

adamstjohn · Post by **adamstjohn** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:00 pm

See, he's a magician.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:01 pm

Cool!! Super work.

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:07 pm

Gregoire, thanks a lot this always makes me feel good:-)
adamstjohn, you mean like a) for wearing pointed hat or b) for working with magic mushrooms:-)?
Thomas, how about your cellata, I lost the touch?

Jiri

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:13 pm

It's coming along. He's just doing some finishing things and waiting on a tool. then it's mine!!

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:51 pm

It's a bit further than in this picture, which was taken during coarse grinding and trimming the face opening.

adamstjohn · Post by **adamstjohn** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:09 pm

Jiri Klepac wrote: adamstjohn, you mean like a) for wearing pointed hat or b) for working with magic mushrooms:-)?

The latter, of course. The helm is just horrible. Send it to me...

Actually, I meant both.

Signo · Post by **Signo** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:11 pm

I think we should take into consideration to burn them as it was used in period, if the fire kill them, then we will know that they were possessed by the evil, and we would do a good action

Great job

.. i hope Satan will take my soul and teach me how to make pots... ehm.. armours

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:39 pm

Very cool.... nice job of adjusting to the "well, it really seems to want to be this instead" instead of forcing it into a shape it wasn't going to go into.

JP

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:14 pm

Do you think you could make something like this to fit me?

http://www.tournamentproductions.org/ph ... i00001.jpg

adric · Post by **adric** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:14 am

Alcyoneus wrote: http://www.tournamentproductions.org/ph ... i00001.jpg

Whiskey - Tango - Foxtrot! Over....

terribleCabbage · Post by **terribleCabbage** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:11 am

adric wrote:
Alcyoneus wrote: http://www.tournamentproductions.org/ph ... i00001.jpg
Whiskey - Tango - Foxtrot! Over....

... Uh... ... Seconded.

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:36 am

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Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:49 am

[img]http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/44590616/4316368[/img]

Bring me the head of Alcyoneus!

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:57 am

Alcyoneus - If this question was addressed to me - the link does not seem to work for me (probably for the only one on the planet) could you please post the picture itself. Thanks

Jiri

Ambrogio · Post by **Ambrogio** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:46 am

It is the picture that Alexander posted.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:49 pm

Baron Alejandro wrote:[img]http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/44590616/4316368[/img]

Bring me the head of Alcyoneus!

Are you feeling froggy?

The armor was made by one who's name begins with B.

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:17 am

Ambrogio, still not clear, this picture is magic or what:-)

Jiri

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:24 am

If you can't see it, you are the lucky one.

Jiri Lucius. · Post by **Jiri Lucius.** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:49 am

Is this from a realy bad movie or what ?

Archie Zietman · Post by **Archie Zietman** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:58 am

Idon't mean to be rude, but that armour looks very similar to the work of B$%^&#$$%^#&D, and is from a website which lists him as "armour for the discriminating martial artist". I'd be wary.

at least it's not from the one I found a while agowhich listed him as "probably the only source of historically accurate armor in existance". (no joke!)

Jiri, that is a fine looking mushroom you've raised there, you just need to bue some big spots on it, and druggies might eat it it's so good!

jmercier · Post by **jmercier** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:03 am

I need some magic mushrooms like that *sighs wistfully*

beautiful kettle hat, just the style i'd love to make myself, but i'm having a hard enough time getting an acceptable finish on my simple spangen right now.

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:45 am

Alcyoneus, thank you for providing me such a insipirating material:-) Of course I could make you happy and make such a suit for you, it would be some.... some.... some... 30 000 bucks send me PM with measurements:-)

Btw the idea of pointed helmet came first time when rising elbows for theese

Jiri

[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/chrbarms3.jpg[/img]

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:09 am

You always put out some fine work, Jiri.

I'm shocked that anyone would actually post an image of that armor on this topic! They should burn in hell for that.

I only posted a link, I'll just stay pleasantly warm.

brunoG · Post by **brunoG** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:35 am

brunoG · Post by **brunoG** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:47 am

Jiri Klepac wrote:Hello guys,

in the beginning the plan was to practise rising on something pointed, originally "norman" conical helmet. I started with 12 ga 42 cm diameter starting blank. After first dishing pass and four rising passes things looked fine
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/k5.jpg[/img]

but after four more passes I got something, what my girlfriend called magic mushroom, not so bad shape in my opinion but very large for the norman helmet
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/k9.jpg[/img]

after forming a conical helmet, there would be so much material wasted on the lower edge, so I changed my mind (as this was not a custom work) to go with the kettle hat. I forged the formed brim on the anvil using a cross-peen to make it wide enough and added another 1,5 cm on each side to it (it also help to make the brim thinner)
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kf.jpg[/img]

then just rolling and planishing and polishing... still needs padding and strapping
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.volny.cz/j.klepac/pix/kettlemushroom3.jpg[/img]

I hope you will like it

all the best

Jiri

Jiri, could you tell me what your trainng was?

I see that Czech republic still has a lot of artisans who work well according to traditional methods.

Could you tell me how these traditions survived?

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:55 am

Bruno,

I donÃ‚Â´t know about many surviving traditional crafts here. It seems to me all crafts in here are rebuild from ashes. Personally I just listened to the calling of the steel and fire:-) I am self thought + reading + Internet armourer. I learned most from watching original pieces and watching the work of Ã‚Â´bastardsÃ‚Â´ like Patrick Thaden and others who make armour with ease and ellegance. My biggest engine is the amount of things still to learn...

Jiri

InfinitySteel · Post by **InfinitySteel** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:22 am

Very nice.

Did you log the hours it took?

brunoG · Post by **brunoG** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:11 pm

Jiri Klepac wrote:Bruno,

I donÃ‚Â´t know about many surviving traditional crafts here. It seems to me all crafts in here are rebuild from ashes. Personally I just listened to the calling of the steel and fire:-) I am self thought + reading + Internet armourer. I learned most from watching original pieces and watching the work of Ã‚Â´bastardsÃ‚Â´ like Patrick Thaden and others who make armour with ease and ellegance. My biggest engine is the amount of things still to learn...

Jiri

Same situation here.

i'm taking a hot forming course from retired power hammer smiths in a remote valley in north italy.

They were hot forging buckets , spades and similar agricultural tools using waterwheel powered power hammers (magli), same kind of magli that were used in the renaissance in Milan and Brescia to rough form armors and sallets.

I have acces to XV century still extant maglio, with toools that date back some centuries, but techniques for armoring are gone.

The power hammer is some meters long, an oak trunk in fact, when it strikes the noise is tremendous.

A friend of mine still operates it, he is the chief armourer at the Marzoli Museum in Brescia, where he keeps armor and swords mainly from the renaissance.

In this maglio he produces exquisite damascus knives, again his technique is modern.

Jiri Klepac · Post by **Jiri Klepac** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:34 pm

Infinity steel - donÃ‚Â´t know exactly, but about 8 days, too long I know, but as I wrote last time, I have got a long way to go:-)

Bruno, pure envy about the maglios you have acces to. I have seen some small ones in my life, but nothing special or extant from middle ages. I visited a big steel works recently for information. This changed my opinion about what is possible:-) (the "log" is about 3 metres long..) Bruno, If you could post some picture of the power hammer this would be definitelly interesting for lots of people in here.

What is the name of your friend in Brescia, is it Massimiliano? I think theese people help moving armouring forward!

all the best

Jiri

brunoG · Post by **brunoG** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:54 am

Jiri Klepac wrote:Infinity steel - donÃ‚Â´t know exactly, but about 8 days, too long I know, but as I wrote last time, I have got a long way to go:-)

Bruno, pure envy about the maglios you have acces to. I have seen some small ones in my life, but nothing special or extant from middle ages. I visited a big steel works recently for information. This changed my opinion about what is possible:-) (the "log" is about 3 metres long..) Bruno, If you could post some picture of the power hammer this would be definitelly interesting for lots of people in here.

What is the name of your friend in Brescia, is it Massimiliano? I think theese people help moving armouring forward!

all the best

Jiri

I'm preparing a reportage on the Mglio Averoldi in Ome. I will be also taking pics of old timey scissors that are the ancestors of the beverly shears, U shaped tools that are rude but effective.

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