Atlantian Crown

Cat of Black Talon · Post by **Cat of Black Talon** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:23 am

Who's fighting on May 5th for the Atlantian Crown? I haven't seen a list posted. Maybe it's posted somewhere else?

I want to go, but will likely be traveling from the West coast that day.

Cat of Black Talon

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:17 am

May 5th??? We just had coronation not one week ago?

Are reigns that quick?

-Aaron

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:21 am

Crowns are normally 1 month after coronations, at least around here and from what I have seen from other places.

But the actual reign should be around 6 months.

This just allows for both sets of royalty, to be able to hit more of the kingdom, if they can. At least thats how I was taught.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:39 am

Good.

I was worried that the crown just touched their head, and then they need to give it up.

Cian of Storvik · Post by **Cian of Storvik** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:02 am

The Crown list constantly gets updated anyhow. I remember last year about this time 1 month prior to crown thinking "wow. there's hardly anyone entering" (like 15 names), and then a week before crown the list seemed like it had 30-40 names on it.

-Cian of Storvik (someone who will never enter crown)

Donal Mac Ruiseart · Post by **Donal Mac Ruiseart** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:58 am

There are, SCA-wide, essentially two patterns for the length and timing of reigns.

In what I would call the Western model, there are three reigns a year, that is, each reign lasts approximately four months.

In this pattern, the Crown Tourneys are usually held toward the end of the current reign, so that the victorious couple hold the titles of Crown Prince/Princess often for less than a month.In what I would call the Eastern model, there are two reigns a year, each reign lasting approximately six months.

In this pattern, Crown Tourneys are usually held toward the beginning of the current reign, so that the victorious couple hold the titles of Crown Prince/Princess for the greater part of their predecessors' reign, usually around five months.
There may be variations on this, but I'm not aware of them.

Proponents of one system are generally opponents of the other, most commonly the one side says that the four-month reigns are too short, while the other side says that to wear one or another crown for nearly a year is too long.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:10 pm

In the Ansteorran variant of what you call the Eastern model, we have our crown tournaments about 1/2 way through the reign....

A ***PERFECT*** compromise between the two, if I do happen to say so as an Ansteorran knight! LMAO

Cunian · Post by **Cunian** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:12 pm

In AnTir, from what I remember as a newbie 20 odd years ago they quartered the year with Coronations at 12th night and midsummer and Crowns Spring and Fall.

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:12 pm

I believe in atlantia the winter reign is 7 months and the summer reign is 5... not that that has any bearing on this conversation. That makes crown winners prince and princess for 6 and 4 months respectively.

I think the list is going to be posted some time this week if little birdies can be trusted!

:twisted:

From what I know there's something like 18-20 names on the list. A decent list from what I hear too.

WilliamThomas · Post by **WilliamThomas** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:39 pm

Yup I heard 20 names as well a couple of Dukes a count... five knights and some whiney ass unbelts :twisted:

WT

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:51 pm

Tis a Viscount I do believe

Donal Mac Ruiseart · Post by **Donal Mac Ruiseart** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:57 pm

There are only a couple of viscounts active in Atlantia that I know of, one a former Prince of Atlantia (Sir Tojanereum, aka TJ) and the other a former Prince of Drachenwald (Sir Axel).

blackbow · Post by **blackbow** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:34 pm

Spring Crown is in May, Fall Crown is in November; Spring Coronation is in April, Fall Coronation is in September.

JB

Brian de Lorne wrote:I believe in atlantia the winter reign is 7 months and the summer reign is 5... not that that has any bearing on this conversation. That makes crown winners prince and princess for 6 and 4 months respectively.

I think the list is going to be posted some time this week if little birdies can be trusted!

From what I know there's something like 18-20 names on the list. A decent list from what I hear too.

Cat of Black Talon · Post by **Cat of Black Talon** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:10 pm

WilliamThomas wrote:Yup I heard 20 names as well a couple of Dukes a count... five knights and some whiney ass unbelts

WT

OK, Trouble, you keep on laugh'n. :twisted:

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:38 pm

the list as i know it (please correct or complete spellings). this should not be confused with an official list (which im sure has been posted somewhere else) im just away from my computer. edit **this is the official list including consorts**

Duke Logan Ebonwoulfe /// Baroness Rowan Berran McDowell
Duke Ragnarr Blackhammer/// Countess Anneke Raudhe
Viscount Reinar Jorgensen/// Viscountess Ellisif ÃžunkÃ¡rr
Sir Bryan of Sacred Stone/// Lady Brianna O'Duinn
Sir Colin Gordon/// Clare Baskervylle
Sir Corby de la Flamme/// Thjora Arnkitelsdottir
Sir Thomas of Calais/// Countess Denise Duvalier
Sir Vladimir Aleksandrov/// Lady Kalisa Aleksandrov
Master Kevin of Thornbury/// Mistress Giuliana Salviati
Lord Afshin Darius/// Meadbh the Handy
Lord Allen of Wolfhou/// Lady Blitha of Wolfhou
Lord Girard de Bourguignon/// Lady Guenievre de Monmarche
Lord Jonathan Blackbow/// Baroness Maeve Griffinsward
Lord Pagan Grendel/// Baroness Johanna Von Sudeborn
Lord Ragnar Ribcracker/// Willow Dunne
Lord Theron Andronikos/// Lady Kaolin In`Oargi
Lord William Thomas/// Lady Katharine Devereaux
Lord Philip ap Griffith/// Mistress Genevieve d'Aquitaine

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:24 am

dukelogan wrote:the list as i know it (please correct or complete spellings). this should not be confused with an official list (which im sure has been posted somewhere else) im just away from my computer.

duke logan ebonwoulfe
duke ragnarr blackhammer
viscount reinar jorgensen
sir colin gordon
sir corby delaflamme
sir tomas of calais
sir vladimir ivanovich aleksandrov
sir brian of sacred stone
master kevin of thornbury
baron ansel
baron mungoe mcklinchey
lord ragnar ribcracker
lord pagan grendel
lord afshin darius
lord jonathan blackbow
lord alan of wolfhau
lord theron andronikos
lord gerard de burgeon
lord william thomas

Is Sir Colin the one who fights in red white and blue, with a round captain america sheild? Left handed? If so I got to do some fighter practice fights with him at the DC Thursday night fighter practice. He's pretty good... and a lefty too. I fought two other really good knights that night, I think one of them might have been Sir Tomas, while the other was Sir Guy. Tomas was pretty good too, although not as fast as Sir Colin.

A good list so far. That Blackbow guy doesn't suck either, specially for a "whiney unbelt"

JP

Vebrand · Post by **Vebrand** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:51 am

Looks like a good list but I will miss it.

I probably won't get to any events until September.

Vebrand

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:09 am

OoP

29 Duke Logan Ebonwoulfe fighting for Baroness Rowan Berran McDowell
32 Duke Ragnarr Blackhammer fighting for Countess Anneke Raudhe
108 Viscount Reinar Jorgensen fighting for Viscountess Ellisif ÃžunkÃ¡rr
239 Sir Corby de la Flamme fighting for Mistress Thjora Arnkitelsdottir
301 Sir Vladimir Aleksandrov fighting for Lady Kalisa Aleksandrov
319 Sir Thomas of Calais fighting for Countess Denise Duvalier
326 Master Kevin of Thornbury fighting for Mistress Giuliana Salviati
330 Sir Colin Gordon fighting for Lady Clare Baskervylle
397 Sir Bryan of Sacred Stone fighting for Lady Brianna O'Duinn
720 Lord Ragnar Ribcracker fighting for Lady Willow Dunne
822 Baron Mungoe McKlinchey fighting for Baroness Siobhan McKlinchey
845 Lord Allen of Wolfhou fighting for Lady Blitha of Wolfhou
855 Lord Pagan Grendel fighting for Mistress Johanna Von Sudeborn
885 Lord Theron Andronikos fighting for Lady Kaolin In`Oargi
897 Lord Afshin Darius fighting for Meadbh the Handy
924 Baron Ansel Rowland Matthews fighting for Catherine Grace Fitzlewis
1006 Lord Philip ap Griffith fighting for Mistress Genevieve d'Aquitaine
1031 Lord Jonathan Blackbow fighting for Baroness Maeve Griffinsward
1349 Lord Girard de Bourguignon fighting for Lady Guenievre de Monmarche

This is the OP assuming everything on the online OP is correct and updated.
Latest edit. This should be the current list. Top 16 in red.

ColinG · Post by **ColinG** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:09 pm

Jean Paul de Sens wrote:Is Sir Colin the one who fights in red white and blue, with a round captain america sheild? Left handed? If so I got to do some fighter practice fights with him at the DC Thursday night fighter practice. He's pretty good... and a lefty too. I fought two other really good knights that night, I think one of them might have been Sir Tomas, while the other was Sir Guy. Tomas was pretty good too, although not as fast as Sir Colin.

A good list so far. That Blackbow guy doesn't suck either, specially for a "whiney unbelt"

Hiya JP,

Yeah that was me. Sorry we didn't get to fight as much as I'd like but I enjoyed the crossing of swords. How did your Crown entry go?

Colin

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:37 pm

I've gotten some questions about the OP, and just to clarify, I pulled that information straight off of http://op.atlantia.sca.org/atlantian_op.php.

I've looked at everyone's awards and dates, and everything looks correct.

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:38 pm

ColinG wrote:
Jean Paul de Sens wrote:Is Sir Colin the one who fights in red white and blue, with a round captain america sheild? Left handed? If so I got to do some fighter practice fights with him at the DC Thursday night fighter practice. He's pretty good... and a lefty too. I fought two other really good knights that night, I think one of them might have been Sir Tomas, while the other was Sir Guy. Tomas was pretty good too, although not as fast as Sir Colin.

A good list so far. That Blackbow guy doesn't suck either, specially for a "whiney unbelt"

Hiya JP,

Yeah that was me. Sorry we didn't get to fight as much as I'd like but I enjoyed the crossing of swords. How did your Crown entry go?

Colin

Semi-finals... didn't have the oomph to get past Gunthar and Ulstead... the two combined to put me out.

JP

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:48 pm

Reinar moved to Atlantia????

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:13 pm

somehow two names got dropped from my list:

Baron Ansel Rowland Matthews Catherine Grace Fitzlewis
Baron Mungoe McKlinchey Baroness Siobhan McKlinchey

sorry for the confusion.

regards
logan

ps brian please add them to your list with the op stuff. txs

AlvarCadiz · Post by **AlvarCadiz** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:57 pm

Dmitriy wrote:Reinar moved to Atlantia????

D,

Reinar got a job in Raleigh last spring. That is why I took over as Cynaguan Marshal. He moved just before Beltaine. Ulrich von Wessler and Viscountess Keisha Trollslander moved out there this month as well. It will be odd to see squares and half rounds in pictures from Atlantian Crowns.

Alvar

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:40 pm

Added Mungoe to the list above.

Edit: Just got word Ansel IS fighting.

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:36 pm

ULRICH TOO???

Man....

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:55 pm

That should be it as of right now.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:56 pm

Ulrich & Kiesha moved right after March Crown. We can still hang out with them at Pennsic, though.

- Scott

ColinG · Post by **ColinG** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:31 am

Jean Paul de Sens wrote:Semi-finals... didn't have the oomph to get past Gunthar and Ulstead... the two combined to put me out.

JP

Tough fights. Were they the final two? When we fought I was using the round. For this Crown I think I'll be using the heater. There is a pretty darn good polearm fighter who is too good not to give him the respect he deserves...read as he's good at taking my leg then picking me off from a distance.

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:39 pm

ColinG wrote:
Jean Paul de Sens wrote:Semi-finals... didn't have the oomph to get past Gunthar and Ulstead... the two combined to put me out.

JP

Tough fights. Were they the final two? When we fought I was using the round. For this Crown I think I'll be using the heater. There is a pretty darn good polearm fighter who is too good not to give him the respect he deserves...read as he's good at taking my leg then picking me off from a distance.

Yeah they were

Ulsted managed to prevail in the end.

JP

DarkApprentice · Post by **DarkApprentice** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:26 am

Hi,

These odds are created with winning Crown in mind, not how far people get. These odds are for the winner. Not the second place guy. With that in mind:

3-1 Duke Logan Ebonwoulfe

My sources say that Logan's shoulder is working. If it is, he will probably win.

8-1 Duke Ragnarr Blackhammer

Ragnarr is a three time Atlantian Crown winner and left handed. If he can get to the finals he knows how to put it away.

12-1 Sir Corby de la Flamme

Corby uses flaming swords.

15-1 Lord Jonathan Blackbow

He will win eventually.

Between 20 and 50-1
Viscount Reinar Jorgensen- he is new to Atlantia and might get by a few people with his different style

Sir Bryan of Sacred Stone-recently Knighted, he has done well before, and might be able to pull it off finally, but I don't feel that he will be able to handle a multi-round final against Logan or Ragnarr.

Sir Vladimir Aleksandrov- Vlad has done well before, but this format might not be the best for him.

Lord Afshin Darius - His name be Dark Horse.

Lord Ragnar Ribcracker- I am hearing that a lot of people don't like fighting this guy. I think he is left handed too. Trepidation on the part of some fighters might give him a good opportunity. Logan will probably just move in and take him out. Vs Duke Ragnarr will be a fun fight to see. I think he will take out at least one or two belted fighters.

Between 50 and 200-1

Sir Thomas of Calais
Master Kevin of Thornbury
Baron Mungoe McKlinchey
Sir Colin Gordon

200-1 and above

Lord Allen of Wolfhou
Lord Girard de Bourguignon
Baron Ansel Rowland Matthews
Lord Pagan Grendel
Lord Theron Andronikos
Lord William Thomas
Lord Philip ap Griffith

Enjoy,

DA

Brian de Lorne · Post by **Brian de Lorne** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:54 am

Here's my picks. This is assuming that the pickes are done by OP on the double elim format in the MOL handbook for Atlantia. NOTE: This does not include challenge-in's due to the fact that you don't know who they're going to challenge.

Quarter Finals:
Duke Logan
Lord Ragnar
Sir Colin
Sir Corby
Lord Afshin
Duke Ragnarr
Sir Bryan
Sir Thomas

Semi Finals
Duke Logan
Sir Colin
Duke Ragnarr
Sir Bryan

Finals
Duke Logan
Duke Ragnarr

Winner
Duke Logan

Yeah, no one knows really how the tourney is going to be run, who's going to challenge who, and all that, but I figured I'd do this for fun, hehe, and thought I'd share. Here's a link to the PDF of the tree I was playing with. If I mispelled names or anything, I apologize. As I said, this was just for fun.

http://members.armourarchive.org/brian/Spring%20Atlantian%20Crown.pdf

Updated to remove William Thomas.

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:55 am

Colin, isn't Ribcracker at your practice? DA, I don't think he's lefty, but I could be misremembering. That brother is definitely name properly, as he threw some heat, but I'd quibble with you giving him better odds than Sir Colin.

Colin is left handed, faster, and hits just as hard. He gave me everything I could want at the fighter practice I went to.

Broadway · Post by **Broadway** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:57 am

Since we're guessin... here go my picks for the top spots.

Semi Finals
Duke Logan
Lord Afshin
Duke Ragnarr
Sir Bryan

Finals
Duke Logan
Duke Ragnarr

Winner
Duke Logan

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:09 am

i was told that william tomas is not fighting. any truth to that?

regards
logan