Visby Skull Replicas?

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:25 pm

I was looking through the archives, and I came across this thread:

Here

There was talk in there of Durasteel making a resin copy "for the archive". I guess it fell through, because it isn't mentioned again.

I'd really like to see this happen, even if it was a year ago. It would be soooo cool!

I am the only one who wants a copy of a chopped up Visby skull?

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:57 pm

Hmm, guess I am the only one...

I just thought it would be a cool thing to have sitting around, take to demos to show the damage a medieval weapon could cause, scare the bejesus out of children, etc. (Hey, it isn't mean, it teaches them history! :twisted:

)

So, nobody knows anything about this?

Jonathon More · Post by **Jonathon More** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:11 pm

well, I was the dude that was looking for his skull. um, looking for his copy of the wisby skull I mean. My miscellanious crap is even more messed up since my housemate of 8 years decided to get married and we split up tons of stuff we had in boxes for ages. And I moved farther out into the boonies. Actually I really want to find that thing now, It would look cool stuck up ender the eve of the house. So now I'm back on the hunt, pm me if you dont hear anythign on this thread in a few days. i tend to get scatterbrained when I pick up extra shifts with medflight.

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:55 pm

I'd quite possibly be interested in one myself, should one ever be available...

Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:32 pm

What they said.

Effingham

Old Armourer · Post by **Old Armourer** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:27 pm

Every few months this seems to come up; people want a resin copy of one of the Visby skulls.

This skull was originally made by a guy named John Jones (Jones Bones). His Address and telepohne number is;

Jones Bones
1224 North Valley
Burbank CA
91505
(818) 955-9823

Somebody suggested that they could make a copy of it if they had one of his originals. Keep in mind, this is copyrighted artwork; you can't simply knock one off. I suggest that if you want one, contact Mr. Jones. I'm sure he would still be willing to make them if several people want one.

Peter Fuller

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:17 pm

Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

Vasilii · Post by **Vasilii** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:29 pm

add another me too

Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:47 pm

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

If you copy the original skull-that's a matter between you and the owner of the piece. Most museums have copyright on the objects in their collection. Just cuz it's old doesn't mean it's yours.

I believe the skull in question is a piece of artwork. To copy that would not only be illegal, but it would be depriving an artist of his livelihood.

Only a Churl would do that.

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:50 pm

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

There can be a ton of issues with this... Museums often claim ownership of their pieces, even though they were made centuries ago.

Also, this probably was not a casting, but a recreation, which does make it his work. Now... if he's willing to do a run, depending on cost, I'd be glad to toss my name in the ring. Looks like 4 or 5 of us may be interested...

My original thought was not for someone to make a casting of Jones's work, but that someone may recreate another version of the same or similar historical artifact.

D.Z.P. · Post by **D.Z.P.** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:55 pm

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Is it still copywrite infringement if the object in question is a historical piece?

By that I mean a copy of a historical original. Theoretically, we could go out and make a resin cast of the original skull, if we could get our hands on it, so it's not like it's the artists property. Right?

Or I'm completely off base...

I would think that legally someone can copy the original and mass produce them. Where I think you would run into legal trouble is when that person started off copying someone else's copy. because you are actually copying his work, not the original skull.

But who really cares. I am in if someone makes them again. And I may even call the guy tomorrow.

Vasilii · Post by **Vasilii** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:57 pm

I had one of these, but it was not resin cast it was plaster I bought it at Pennsic probably 20 years ago. Sadly it broke :cry:

always wanted to replace it. Will gladly buy from original artist if new run possible.

Old Armourer · Post by **Old Armourer** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:21 pm

From what I understand, he sculpted his version based on the original, not cast from it, so it is his work.

Mr. Jones does some incredible stuff. He has a full-sized (four feet long!) dragon skull, and has done a Predator skull, among other things. Whoever calls him should ask about his other work; there may be something else you guys might be interested in...

Peter Fuller

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:54 pm

I talked with that fella. I learned two things:

a] its not actually molded off the real skull, its an artistic rendering. I was a bit disappointed by that, but it was really nice.

b] the fella who made them was nearly adamant that they were not worth his time to produce (if he did, they would be hundreds of dollars)

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I have thought about doing a replica (yes, artistic rendering) myself since I do lots of molding and resin casts. I guess Id like to see a serious sign up list if I were to sculpt one and produce it. Price would hover around 70 dollars I should think.

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:00 pm

At $70ish, count me in for one, Drew! I think for both pure oddity interest and for presentation work, it could really be cool.

Also, I think I know someone else who would just about have to have one. I'd almost commit to two, just 'cause I don't think he could possibly pass it up. There might be more interest around the shop, too, but not sure if they'd pony up.

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:06 pm

Aw cmon Aaron admit it....we're sick freaks.

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:11 pm

Of course we are! No shame in that, is there?

Chris - GSMBristol · Post by **Chris - GSMBristol** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:57 pm

Would be interested for our medical presentations.

Ingvarr · Post by **Ingvarr** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:27 am

Yeah, me too. That medical presentation thing sounds good. Yeah, that one, not the sick freak one. I wanted one of these the first time I saw it in MRL. If it comes out looking good, and like a skull, I'm definitely in for $70ish.

Johan_Fitztomas · Post by **Johan_Fitztomas** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:17 am

Count me in to for $70 if it looks good.

Johan

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:30 am

Alright, no need to jump on me. I have little knowledge of copyright laws, and I didn't know that it wasn't an original cast.

In that case, it would be most definitely wrong to copy his work.

So, if Durasteel were to make an "artistic redition" of one, I would be interested, as long as it looks good like Johan said.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having a copy of this one too:

[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x210/darkintruder/Burial12.jpg[/img]

But if Durasteel is willing, I'd bet there would be quite a few interested parties.

D.Z.P. · Post by **D.Z.P.** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:20 am

i'm in for at least one. If you end up making others I would probably be in for them too.

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:25 pm

Damn, if I only had the time to do this myself. We regularly print skulls and parts of skulls in our 3D rapid prototype machines. I could easily slip in an extra skull with any battle damage I wanted... it would probably be good enough for a master but I have no way to mold multiple pieces.

Sean

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:30 pm

You might be able to do a master, then ship it off to Drew at Durasteel for resin copies.

That would cut costs significantly, since he wouldn't actually have to sculpt the master.

It would depend on how high quality you could make the master blank, of course...

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:43 pm

Could it have all that nasty mucky mail stuck to it also?
One would look good on my book case.
Count me in also.

Hal

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:52 pm

There's at least three skulls that I know of. One has the sword/axe blow right to the face, one has the three crossbow bolts and two hammer blows, and one has the maile coif. The last one, as far as I know, doesn't have any actual damage to the skull.

Plus, I think the maile ups the difficulty factor by a great deal, at least as far as sculpting goes. It would be very cool, but I think unfeasible.

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:59 pm

Ba-bump!

I don't want this getting lost.

Sean, you said you might be able to make a master skull right?

Durasteel, would it be possible to then take the master, and create copies of that?

Or would it just be simpler to actually sculpt it?

Either way, I'd like one of these.

Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:08 pm

One could start with this and chop it up appropriately:

http://www.anatomywarehouse.com/muscula ... -Skull.htm

Rev. George · Post by **Rev. George** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:27 pm

Most museums have copyright on the objects in their collection. Just cuz it's old doesn't mean it's yours.

No they don't. An original artist or company that employs them have copyrights. They dont last forever, and things from the middle ages certainly have lapsed into the public domain.

HOWEVER, a museum can (and they often do) restrict permission to take photos, etc for commercial work.

-+G

Vasilii · Post by **Vasilii** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:03 pm

Count me in for one maybe two.

Payn · Post by **Payn** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:15 am

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x210/darkintruder/Burial12.jpg[/img]

IIRC, this is "Bad Luck John". If it is him, I believe he has a few more holes in the front of his skull as well (arrow I think).

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:14 pm

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:Ba-bump!

I don't want this getting lost.

Sean, you said you might be able to make a master skull right?

Durasteel, would it be possible to then take the master, and create copies of that?
.

Well I am a sculptor and I produce resin casts of my work. I also work with sculptors as part of my business: http://www.partsandtechnical.com/BUSTS- ... TURES.html

Corey D. Sullivan · Post by **Corey D. Sullivan** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:30 pm

I wasn't questioning your abilities as an artist Mr. Young. God knows that I've spent a good amount of time drooling over your work.

I was just wondering if it would lower costs. But it doesn't look like it will be necessary anyways. I count... 9 at least.

Granted, when something like this happens, and interest is shown, it seems to dry up when it's time to pony up the cash. Funny how that is...

Ingvarr · Post by **Ingvarr** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:31 pm

Are the Silent Hill nurse bookends a one off or do you produce them? If the latter, how much?

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:00 pm

Corey....I wasnt insulted

Granted, when something like this happens, and interest is shown, it seems to dry up when it's time to pony up the cash. Funny how that is...

nah, I was planning on doing one anyway, even if for myself.

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Ingvarr

I worked with an artist in producing these... He is a great artist but we never got around to selling them...I can see if they are still available.