Crossroads in Time 2009

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:23 pm

SoCal. Spring 2009, since it gets nice there sooner and I have a month of leave when I get back from Iraq.

I want the following people there for sure, just off the top of my head:

Compaignye du Chalis
Russ Mitchell
Alan
d'Antioche
Nick Friend (Klaus the Red)
Circa 1470
Steve Lund
Jeff Hedgecock
Luke Binks
Lee C
Jon Barber
David Teague and as many of his SRG as possible
Aaron Schnatterly
Bob Reed
Jeff and Charlotte J
Tasha McGann
Simon
Sixtus Goetz
Murdock
Sir Vitus
John van Hassel (Sir Johannes) and as many from his group as possible
Brent (Peder)
Istanpitta
Teribus
Josh Warren

This is just off the top of my head. Who else should come? How the hell do I get everyone to come? Cripes, I've already offered all but free beer and donations only cover charge, and a good band and awesome food...

I want a secluded site, with nothing modern visible, located far enough from a motorized vehicle route so as to make hearing them difficult if at all. I want trees, leafy if at all possible. Flowing water or a spring would be perfect. Ground fires must be allowable, collection of dead or down wood must be allowed. Loosing shaft and using black powder to fire actual shot must be allowed. The ground should be covered with gentle grasses, preferably good for fodder, with even ground for horses. Public lands such as Forest Service or BLM lands seem to work well for this event. A site with a place where vehicles and a modern camp can be set within walking distance but out of sight has contributed to the successful holding of this event twice so far.

John
Jehan de Pelham, ecuyer and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

Armoured Air Bear · Post by **Armoured Air Bear** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:14 pm

perhaps to add to the want list-hunting...just a thought, as holding a hunting party such as in the manner of Gaston Phoebus book of the hunt would be downright stellar.

I will try my best to be there. I will go there rather than pennsic, as I know so far in advance, and have been wanting to take part in it for far too long.

Kudos to you once again for having the gusto, and will to put on, organize, ad pull off such an undertaking for an event.

Aaron

shoot me a PM when you get a chance with your address. after Pennsic (or possibly before) I will be making you something that can be used in your camp-this is to make up for my blunder of not completing those knives. there is one part of this item that I need help with-but it is something you have done before I believe-tinning. could you briefly describe to me your process?

Ned Chaney · Post by **Ned Chaney** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:36 pm

I want to come next year. If I start planning now, and given the location you're planning on.....I should be able to make it. I doubt I'll be able to have period camping equipment, but my soft kit and archery gear should look pretty good. I wanted to come this year REALLY BAD, but just didn't have enough vaca time saved. Next year should be better! Can you afford the six pence a day an archer from Flynt would command??

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:18 pm

I may forgo Pennsic next year and do other stuff.

That would make it much more possible

Iain (Bunny) Ruadh · Post by **Iain (Bunny) Ruadh** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:08 am

Well I wouldn't go so far as to give up Pennsic .. but I can easily see a band of travellers coming from this region find ourselves in the area for such a grand gathering ... just need to get the details nailed down so we can put in for leave/vacation time.

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:08 am

More lead-time increases the chances. Shan-Aan and I will look towards it.

One thing that would be very helpful, but probably very difficult on a logistics front would be a location where certain non-flyable stuff might be shipped and picked up locally. From here, flying and then getting to the site somehow would likely be the only possible way of getting there.

Armoured Air Bear wrote:there is one part of this item that I need help with-but it is something you have done before I believe-tinning.

I've got plans for some tinning work, though when I'll actually be able to pull it off is a big question. I'm not too far out from you...

Fire Stryker · Post by **Fire Stryker** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:08 am

Southern California might as well be on the other side of the world for us. We flew out to Cali in 1998 and had minimal stuff with us. Driving cross country is not an option due to limited vacation time and fuel costs. Flying limits what we can bring especially with airlines charging more and more fees.

As Aaron indicated, shipping might be an option.

Are you looking to match this up with another potential event in the Spring of 2009?

Oh, we offer steaks and beer at our Drill and Grills and still have a hard time getting people to show.

LeeC · Post by **LeeC** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:11 am

Fire Stryker wrote:Oh, we offer steaks and beer at our Drill and Grills and still have a hard time getting people to show.

Don't make me want to leave SoCal more than I already do.

Fire Stryker · Post by **Fire Stryker** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:12 am

Did I mention we only get the best imported German Beers and Belgian Ales? :twisted:

Jeffrey Hedgecock · Post by **Jeffrey Hedgecock** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:17 am

John,

My suggestions are

-nail down the dates early, make them well known
-determine the location early, also make it well known
-be sure there is plenty of potable water ON SITE, if you want horses there. Without it, you can pretty much shine having horses. It's too tough to move enough water over pretty much -any- distance. Most other horse considerations can be easily address, but water is an essential.

When you publicize the event, be sure to keep the details available and easy to find. Put them on your CoC website? I had to sort through pages and pages of AA topic to find when and where the last one was just to consider if I could go, and even still, the site wasn't set until the last minute, making it very difficult to plan.

For my part, I'd like to come, but will only do reenactment events to which I can bring my horses. They're just an integral part of what I do now. They give me purpose, so I need to know I can bring 'em and not have to haul water miles for them. (Bill R. related the H2O scoop the other night and I was pretty surprised, I have to say).

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:52 am

Fire Stryker wrote:Southern California might as well be on the other side of the world for us. We flew out to Cali in 1998 and had minimal stuff with us. Driving cross country is not an option due to limited vacation time and fuel costs. Flying limits what we can bring especially with airlines charging more and more fees.

This is the hingepin for most, I'd think. Time off... it's probably doable. Funding the event itself... probably not a severe issue. Dropping 5 - 10% of your yearly income traveling to and from the event itself...

My initial thought when I saw the location was an immediate "aw, shit." From here to Burbank is nearly 2000 miles one way. Both of our vehicles get about 15mpg. That's $1100 in gas alone at current prices, plus vehicle maintenance, 2 nights at a hotel each way... Flying may well get to be that bad, and adding a rental vehicle once there may make it a more expensive option. That's not to say that SoCal is a bad location. If it were in Southern Missouri, it may still be above our means. If it were in our back yard, people from SoCal would then have the burden instead.

We'll still genuinely and aggressively look to it and see if there's any way to manage it. We'd really love to make it to an event like this. The frustration of not being able to do what we want wherever we want is part of the motivation to establish local things, and I'm working toward that end right now.

Fire Stryker wrote:Oh, we offer steaks and beer at our Drill and Grills and still have a hard time getting people to show.

... for people who're "in the group" and were local enough to join voluntarily.

d'Antioche · Post by **d'Antioche** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:01 am

You had me at "free beer." :twisted:

Although, I'm going to try to get a credible 14th C presentation together for next time. Being the sole representative of the much prettier 15th was okay, but there's always that nagging urge to blend in....

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am

d'Antioche wrote:Being the sole representative of the much prettier 15th was okay, but there's always that nagging urge to blend in....

My portrayal is a gentleman at arms, Nuremberg, circa 1480. What can I say... I dig fluting.

I can see both sides... some homogeneity is nice, but there's that whole CROSSROADS thing... where some disparity is probably equally interesting. The broader the range, though, the more it resembles MTA or MTT more than a cozy, unified event.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:27 pm

YOU felt a need to blend in? Ha. It took people four hours just to learn to pronounce my persona's name....

but it was still a great time.

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:28 pm

Jeff, I need to call you sometime. I want to, now, actually, but I need to do it when I am not dog-tired so I can be at my best. Your suggestions are absolutely spot on. I should have been planning 2009 before 2008 went off, actually.

Jenn, you have read my mind, that's what I need to talk to Jeff about. I have to figure out everyone in SoCal's plans for next year and find the best way to synch this thing. What would it be like to have this event as a companion/adjunct/enhancer to something else?

John
Jehan de Pelham, ecuyer and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:47 pm

And actually So Cal is _really_ far for me.

But with no Pennsic i would be more likely to be able to afford it.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:28 pm

I'd like to go, for sure. There is no reasonable way to get Norm and Phantom that far though, and never mind all the kit. Fuel prices are killing those of us who keep horses, as grain and hay prices shoot up...

If I can travel to Southern California in the next 6th months, it would have to be to support Jeff and Gwens event, and then we would look at flying out with soft kit alone, to give a hand.

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:16 pm

d'Antioche wrote: Being the sole representative of the much prettier 15th was okay, but there's always that nagging urge to blend in....

What am I?

John, I will pull out all the stops to make it to your event next year.

^ · Post by ^ » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:17 pm

If you want all those things and horses you will be looking for a site that you will need insurance for or you will need to rent something like a 1,000 gallon water trailer. Or half that if you can find ready access to refill it half way through.

You will also want to aim for a reasonable distance from an airport because the great American desert is between most people and the event so driving with fuel prices being what they are is less affordable.

David Teague · Post by **David Teague** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:47 pm

Travel cost? Travel cost?

I don't even want to hear any whining about travel costs.

(just saw this thread, was off the grid for a few days up north with my real job & just got back from the airport)

I was just thinking about the whole "Crossroads in Time" thang a few days ago while doing our last event of the summer and had thought about attending as a pilgrim on way to a shrine.

That's one portable persona. I've got the staff, can draw up traveling papers for passage on parchment &. I'd be good to go ( & John would have to house and feed me as pilgrim... it would be his 14th century Christian duty to do so... hehehe. :wink:

BTY it's "David Teague and as many of his HRG as possible". :wink:

If you can lock it down soon, not land on our event dates, you just might see 1-3 of my group (but the other 30 would be pushing it.)

Cheers & Best Wishes,

David

^ · Post by ^ » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:14 pm

David Teague wrote:That's one portable persona. I've got the staff, can draw up traveling papers for passage on parchment &. I'd be good to go ( & John would have to house and feed me as pilgrim... it would be his 14th century Christian duty to do so... hehehe

[img]http://www.mediumaevum.com/brent/12thnight/100_0611.JPG[/img]

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:19 am

Okay, over the next ten days, need to know what dates don't work and why for Spring of 2009. Also, what events are happening, so I can try and coordinate.

The water will be seen to by a large tank/truck this time.

Pilgrims will be cared for.

John
Jehan de Pelham, ecuyer and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

Aaron Schnatterly · Post by **Aaron Schnatterly** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:32 am

We have no date conflicts.

^ · Post by ^ » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:01 am

I know you don't care much if it conflicts with an SCA date but about half of those listed are in the SCA and in that part of the country is Estrella War February 9th â€“ February 16th 2009. It certainly won't help to be on that week or probably the week before or week after.

Jeff grew up in the area, is such a site as Jehan wants likely to be found there?

Jeffrey Hedgecock · Post by **Jeffrey Hedgecock** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:15 am

We don't attend Estrella.

We do attend:
Original Reenactor's Market, Warwickshire, England, 1 week, late Feb to mid-March (date not yet set-- very frustrating but typical)
Sword of Honour Team Tournament, Leeds, England, 1 week, Easter weekend April 9-13

That's what's almost certain so far. We may also hold another Sword of Chivalry tournament in late April, early May, but we have to see how the November event goes, and we're at the mercy of our site's calendar for an open weekend.

If the reenactors' market is in Feb (fingers crossed) and with the SoH joust in April, March could work, but there is the weather issue.

What about early-mid May? We used to have our Red Company-1471 event that time of year and it was beautiful; rarely too hot, weather clear, cool nights. It was great, at least in SoCal.

Brent, if you were suggesting I had an idea for a site out here, unfortunately I really don't. Events like this are best on private land and those places are the best but hardest to find unless you know the owner already. Can't offer any ideas there, sadly.

David Teague · Post by **David Teague** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:57 am

Hello All,

I wouldn't base moving an event around 1-3 Alaskans attending...

but if you must :wink:

Our current events fall on the the 1st, 2nd, & last weekend of June & the 2nd weekend of July. We take the rest of the short Alaskan summer off to enjoy our other summer hobbies.

Cheers,

DT

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:59 pm

Don't know if it's remote enough for you, but this place hosts Civil War Reenactments-

Wooden Nickel Ranch
25690 Holland Rd. Menifee
Menifee, California 92584

Owner, Tom Fuhrman

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:35 pm

I'm flattered I made your must-have list. Thank you for the compliment.

Like I said before, if I did come, I'd come very bare bones, would need a place to sleep, and would probably work for my keep as a laundress if there's a stream and buckets/other containers available, or a cook's assistant, etc.

And I'd only show up if Jon Barber is there. He's like the ultimate laid back bodyguard.

Tasha

LeeC · Post by **LeeC** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:43 pm

Another one that came to mind was Riley's.

Riley's Farm
12261 S. Oak Glen Road
Oak Glen, California 92399

909-797-7534
http://www.rileysfarm.com/

I'll keep thunkin bout it.

^ · Post by ^ » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:11 pm

Jeffrey Hedgecock wrote:Brent, if you were suggesting I had an idea for a site out here, unfortunately I really don't. Events like this are best on private land and those places are the best but hardest to find unless you know the owner already. Can't offer any ideas there, sadly.

Not even so much a site but where decent places to look are. I think Jehan looks to public lands in part due to the insurance issue, most private land owners or camping areas are likely to want some sort of insurance policy. Knowing what areas are nice and what areas would be less then idea but then again we could re-enact the fall of Granada.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:15 pm

I'd be thrilled to have it within a single day's drive of the Bay Area rather than two, but I'll have term papers due the first couple of weeks in May and likely at least one final exam between the 15th and the 21st, so timing for me will be tricky. I vote for the last week of May or later.

Tasha, you're welcome to share my camp if I go, and I can probably scare up an extra tent.

Klaus

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:21 pm

The further south and west it goes the harder it is for me personally and the further away it gets from the rest of the US.

Thats just my 2 bits

^ · Post by ^ » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:12 pm

Here is the thing. Putting it in the middle of nowhere is not going to much please anyone. People in different regions have different driving patterns which have been accentuated by the price of gas is just going to accentuate that. Holding it west of I-35 and not on the coast states just generally going against how we think about travel.

If it is meant to be really for the great vastness of the western US then the west coast is a good choice. Especially as once you drive 24 hours another few hours to a site that many more people will be at isn't as big a difference as twice as long for everyone else, Especially as its big fast open roads.

When planning a national event you have to look at a population density map and decide who you are out to please and who your going to leave out.
http://www.census.gov/popest/gallery/ma ... ty-07.html

miscreant · Post by **miscreant** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:31 pm

Hmmm, let's see, the middle of nowhere, or better known as southern Wisconsin. Within abound 9 hours radius you would have Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Chicago, Kansas City, St. Louis, Indianapolis, and Detroit. Instead of a select few by isolating it on the far west coast you'd have many major metropolis's to pull from. There are quite a few accurate and loyal living history people out here, we just arent in the spotlight as much.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:25 pm

Makes perfect sense to me - but I live in Southern Wisconsin :twisted: