A kettle hat question...

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:27 pm

What would be a good way to hide the bars of an SCA Kettle?

I have seen some done in maille... whats another less expensive option?

thanks for all the ideas!

MJ

Edward Harrison · Post by **Edward Harrison** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:30 pm

I have seen Baron Robert use suede or light leather.

mattmaus · Post by **mattmaus** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:53 pm

I think Steve Forth did a light padded/gamboised one.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:35 am

I have seen some pics that had a drape, it looked like canvas.
It was form fitted and had some dags, it looked very period.
It flayed out nice over the shoulders.
Sort of a tough sergeant look.

Had a nice Osprey flavor also.

Hal

Russ Thomas · Post by **Russ Thomas** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:35 am

Hi,

Why not wear a barbote, a form of bevor often worn with kettlehats, with it? They look good, give good protection, are removable, and are historically accurate too!

Russ

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:48 am

That is a good idea Russ.
Like this?

Hal

Russ Thomas · Post by **Russ Thomas** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:10 am

Halberds wrote:That is a good idea Russ.
Like this?

Hal

Absolutely ! And that is a really nice combination, where are they from please Hal??

Russ

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:09 pm

Thats a pic I also found just doing a google search.
Anybody know its time period roughly?

Russ Thomas · Post by **Russ Thomas** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:44 pm

Obviously they are associated, but they are both nice examples. They probably date to the last quarter of the 15th century, and I would say that the helmet is probably Spanish and the barbote Italian.
I have posted here pictures of an example in the Royal Armouries, Leeds. This is of about the same date, but both pieces are Italian. The barbote is missing its gorget lame in this case.

Russ

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:20 pm

The barbote (bevor) that Halberds posted a pic of is almost certainly from the Rhodes hoard, but it is not in Karcheski's and Richardson's book.

It's displayed with a very nice cabocete. They look good together.

Mac

Hospitaller@Acre · Post by **Hospitaller@Acre** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:38 pm

I have not decided if I am going to hang mail from mine or go with just a arming cap as per these 2 pics from the Priory of St. Colin. I like them both but will probably end up with the mail...covers the gorget..will post my kit when finished..the helm is done by Halberds...the 2 gentleman from the Priory by Master Magnus..Adam Berry.
Rannulf

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:58 pm

Dear me, Hospitaller, I had to look at pic "tmpphpcCxV0g.jpg" twice to see that that was the hem of your aketon and not pocket flaps of cargo pockets to the gamboised cuisses! :wink:

Indeed, the lack of pockets in garments before the late sixteenth century, while explicable enough, for tights just will not do, is nonetheless remarkable. I suppose they just didn't have small portable necessaries then.

Nowadays SCA purses hold Blackberries.

[/thread drift] The humble butted mail drape is expensive only in terms of time.

Hospitaller@Acre · Post by **Hospitaller@Acre** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:45 am

Dear Konstantin the Red, Pic is not me..it is Eadric if I recall.
Rannulf

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:51 am

ahh the barbote is too late for what I am doing. I should have specified late 14th century.

white mountain armoury · Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:15 am

It was my intent to sew a hood with lyripipe tha was cut at the correct angle so it could be attatched the the grill much like the maile aventail in the above pic.
Trying to replicate the look of a fellow wearing his kettle over his hood.
You sometimes see examples of this in art.
Hungarian comes to mind but I am sure it was done all over to deal with unpleasant weather.