New Helm - Shamrock Armoury

Magnus Ulfgarsson · Post by **Magnus Ulfgarsson** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:19 pm

Well to say Jackie's customer service is amazing would be an understatement. Tons of contact, even half way pictures.

I bought a helm from Jackie which he thought wouldn't fit, even told me so, he thought it would be too big but I wanted it, so he said if it didn't fit properly we'd work out a custom one.

Needless to say, the guy who actually made the helmet was right, and it didn't fit.

I've thrown some leatherwork into the pot to add some more to a custom helmet, he sent mid point pictures and then today finally got some finished pictures.

<img src="http://www.dark-horse.ca/000_1999.jpg"><img src="http://www.dark-horse.ca/000_2000.jpg">
<img src="http://www.dark-horse.ca/000_2005-1.jpg"><img src="http://www.dark-horse.ca/000_2004.jpg">

Agnarr · Post by **Agnarr** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:19 pm

Beautiful. Just stunning.

Magnus Ulfgarsson · Post by **Magnus Ulfgarsson** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:24 pm

I'd also be interested on what people think a plausible time and place would be.

And for your hardcore folks, even if you went "Well, the top is blah and the occulars are blah.. that horse tail.. blah."

Feel free to disect it if you wish, I won't cry. Just curious.

Randy W · Post by **Randy W** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:30 pm

pretty hat dude!

Now I'm stoked, I have one on the bench with him too, and I agree, amazing customer service and communication

Doktormean/ Deitmar · Post by **Doktormean/ Deitmar** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:50 pm

looks great ' it's gonna look good with the rest of your kit

D. Sebastian · Post by **D. Sebastian** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:54 pm

I'd also be interested on what people think a plausible time and place would be.

WAG:
6th - 10th Cent, likely Scandinavian?

Magnus Ulfgarsson · Post by **Magnus Ulfgarsson** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:48 pm

Pretty stoked to get it to me

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:00 pm

My, that's stylish!

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:58 pm

Thank you for this great review
It is a pleasure working with. And think you so much for your great communication.

I really look forward to get some of your leather work, It is going to be apart of my new Viking kit

Jackie

Leopold der Wolf · Post by **Leopold der Wolf** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:28 pm

You're ready to defend Rohan :lol:

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But seriously, really nice helm.

Magnus Ulfgarsson · Post by **Magnus Ulfgarsson** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:33 pm

Leopold-Wolf wrote:You're ready to defend Rohan .

But seriously, really nice helm.

Could say that about numerous helms if you put a horse tail on it I guess. heh.

Maelgwyn · Post by **Maelgwyn** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:31 pm

I don't know of any "occularia" helms outside of Vendel culture based in Sweden 6-8th century or thereabouts. (Off the top of my head, check some references before taking this too seriously.) Vendel culture had lots of contact with contemporary Franks and Saxons. Also Angles, Jutes and other germanic invaders in Britain. So this helm might be suitable for any of these people or their battlefield opponents. So for a time and place I'd go with 6-8th century northern Europe.

Bjorn the Hunter · Post by **Bjorn the Hunter** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:02 pm

Those occulars, I would say, seem very Slavic/Rus, 9th centuryish.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:35 pm

The brass rivets about the bottom edge of the oculars: are they holding some framework into which the bargrill welds? Very elegant bargrill as these things go!

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:42 am

Konstantin the Red wrote:The brass rivets about the bottom edge of the oculars: are they holding some framework into which the bargrill welds? Very elegant bargrill as these things go!

The bars are welded in place and the brass rivets are just for desecration,

To me it is hard to make a bargrill look somewhat good in a Viking style helm. The only thing I try to do with the bars is go with the flow of the helm and make it appealing to the eyes.

Thanks
Jackie

Starn · Post by **Starn** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:54 am

I wouldn't wear it with any kit later than the 6th or 7th century. The occular and the strips style aventail are very Vendal (as has already been mentioned Lol) but it's the main part of the helm that really talks to me. 20 odd helmets with the bowl made like that have been found all over the place (including sweden, germany and france I believe). I'm sure they're all Ostrogothic. I read somewhere they probably all came from the same city in Italy and are almost definately 6th century in origin. This era really isn't my norm but I can't think of any helmets that combine occular and cheekguards though the ostrogothic ones all had cheekguards (of a slightly different design though), the horse tail seems a touch fanciful but if anyone knows of any example's that prove me wrong I'm always happy to eat my own words (they taste great with ketchup :wink:

).

That's just what I can see at a glance, a very plain Ostrogothic helm (the originals were heavily decorated), with Vendal occular and aventail, but it looks like a very well made helmet and I hope you get a great deal of enjoyment from it whatever it's mixed historical origins.

white mountain armoury · Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:29 am

This style of top with the upside down "T" shaped bands is referred to as a "Baldenheim" helm as thats where one was found (north eastern france)
Also referred to as Ostrogothic as its thought that where many were produced (Italy)
They are fairly widespread in regards to where they have been found.
Jackies looks like a combo of vendal/valsgarde elements combined with a "Baldenhiem" style.
Nice looking hat

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:11 pm

On the look I was going for the look Magnus wanted on this helm, Well all most I changed it a little.

white mountain armoury · Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:31 pm

Well it looks nice and you have a happy customer

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:58 pm

white mountain armoury wrote:Well it looks nice and you have a happy customer

Thank you very much Sir

freiman the minstrel · Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:19 pm

Well done.

For a perspective that you might not have had cross you mind...

I am badly color blind. To me, with the decorative bit on the petals in the back, it looked like the slats were leather I thought that they were leather for a little bit, until I figured out what was going on.

I saw one thing, and it was lovely, and then I realized that I wasn't looking at what I thought I was. That was a really neat aesthetic moment for me, but I guess you have to be really color blind to see it.

It looks beautiful.

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shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:31 am

I see all kind of things but I think I am delusional :lol:

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:00 pm

shamrockarmoury wrote:. . . and the brass rivets are just for desecration

Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this. Might've passed an entire packet of Splenda through my schnozz.

Hey... the bargrill makes the face of the helm a toothy smilie... Shamrock's Happy Spangenhat Shoppe.

Vermin · Post by **Vermin** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:08 pm

Well, the bar grill is WONDERFUL in the way that it flows with the piece and doesn't detract from the overall impression.
Don't get me wrong, I think the rest of the hat is sexy too, I'm just saying you did an AWESOME job of making the bar grill NOT interfere with the sexiness, as is so often the case when you have to put a grill on something that didn't have one in period.

Great job!!!!!

Thigvald · Post by **Thigvald** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:29 pm

Drooool.

Sweet work Shamrock and Magnus, gratz on getting a such a prize.

Now I just need to save me some coin for one just like it (that fits lol).

Cheers!

(ready to defend rohan...I'm confused.....ducks)

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:15 pm

Vermin wrote:Well, the bar grill is WONDERFUL in the way that it flows with the piece and doesn't detract from the overall impression.
Don't get me wrong, I think the rest of the hat is sexy too, I'm just saying you did an AWESOME job of making the bar grill NOT interfere with the sexiness, as is so often the case when you have to put a grill on something that didn't have one in period.

Great job!!!!!

Thank you

One thing I hate the most about making helms
are the bars.

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:18 pm

Konstantin the Red wrote:
shamrockarmoury wrote:. . . and the brass rivets are just for desecration

Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this. Might've passed an entire packet of Splenda through my schnozz.

Hey... the bargrill makes the face of the helm a toothy smilie... Shamrock's Happy Spangenhat Shoppe.

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:19 pm

Thigvald wrote:Drooool.

Sweet work Shamrock and Magnus, gratz on getting a such a prize.

Now I just need to save me some coin for one just like it (that fits lol).

Cheers!

(ready to defend rohan...I'm confused.....ducks)

Thank you.
So why would you want it to fit :roll:

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:32 pm

I like it, it's a fine helm.
I think the guys nailed the time and location also.

Agreed the bar grills are not my favorite thing to do either.
How about a face some time.
Or the cut out 10ga. style we have seen here before?

Thanks for the pics.

Hal

Angusm0628 · Post by **Angusm0628** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:03 pm

This is just another example of my patented answer when guys say "where do I get a helm for X period?"

"Jackie, Shamrock armory.. Now quit talking to me and email him"..

Gordon the Grey · Post by **Gordon the Grey** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:07 pm

Beautiful work!! Helmets like that one make me want to give up on the 16th century and do early period more and more. Magnus you are a really lucky man to own such a great helmet.

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:14 am

Halberds wrote:I like it, it's a fine helm.
I think the guys nailed the time and location also.

Agreed the bar grills are not my favorite thing to do either.
How about a face some time.
Or the cut out 10ga. style we have seen here before?

Thanks for the pics.

Hal

I have a start on a face, I just need more free time to work on it.
Maybe one day :sad:

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:15 am

Gordon the Grey wrote:Beautiful work!! Helmets like that one make me want to give up on the 16th century and do early period more and more. Magnus you are a really lucky man to own such a great helmet.

Come to the dark side :twisted:

shamrockarmoury · Post by **shamrockarmoury** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:20 am

Angus thank you for your support

Jackie