SCA Basinet pics please.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:53 pm

Hello members.
I have been putting together the components for a standard SCA bassinet grill helm, perhaps with a replaceable clap visor.

I have several of Cets 12ga. helm halves.
I have several of Revival's front pivot hinges.
I have learned how to weld up a bar grill.
I have learned how to make and weld in back pieces.

So, what I would like from the members, is some pics of nice helms in this style.
Not that I am going to copy them or anything.
It just helps to see the norm.

Thank you.

Hal

PS: Where can I get all those little vervills from?
If I made them they would be quite expensive.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:57 pm

Old news, but my take on the Lewis Moore klappvisier bascinet:

http://nickfriend.fatcow.com/klappvisier

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:03 pm

Thanks Red,

Nice looking helm. He captured the shape.
The vervills are of a different style than what I am used to seeing.
I am not familiar with that type.

Hal

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:07 pm

You'll find them mostly in the first half of the fourteenth century on cervelliere-type helmets, and on a lot of bascinets in Germany. The little "doorknob" or "post" vervelles tend to be on the later bascinets, "proto-barbutas" and armets.

K

Nikos · Post by **Nikos** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:06 am

Here's mine without the welded stainless aventail. It was made by Steel Mastery a few years back.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:18 am

I think Talbot sells verveils.

Woodstock · Post by **Woodstock** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:50 am

I've always admired the work these guys do:

http://bestarmour.com/

edited because...

FOUND IT:

http://www.wolfeargent.com/cgi-bin/ulti ... 1&t=000097

This was covered in the Armour Archive by Chuck Davis:

Do a web search for Horton Brasses. They make reproductions of furniture hardware. I've used their 5/16 chippendale posts for vervilles, and I really like them.

http://www.horton-brasses.com/store/han ... ippendale9

Master Cad's site(s) with some lovely Bascinet pics to boot

http://www.mallet-argent.com/

&

http://www.coldforgearmoury.com/

bigjon · Post by **bigjon** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:05 am

Verveilles- Cast Bronze and threaded

http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... 20a&page=3

Windrose has'em 2 and 3 bucks each.

Woodstock · Post by **Woodstock** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:17 am

And soe more bascinet candy:

The first Archiver's that come to mind (in no special order) are Mad Matt, James River and Murdock. Search their sites/posts out.

Others to browse are:

http://www.anshelmarms.com/bascinets.html

http://www.arcangelfabrication.com/drag ... oducts.htm

http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/armour.html

http://www.ageofarmour.com/instock/pigface.html

And a couple of articles:

http://www.chronique.com/Chronique/chrniq12.htm

http://www.insulaedraconis.org/document ... /helms.htm

Hospitaller@Acre · Post by **Hospitaller@Acre** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:35 am

http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... 1da18ac350

These are the ones I used on that bascinet I told you about..highly recomend them..think I used 18 of them??? Easy to use ...

losthelm · Post by **losthelm** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:59 am

there use to be a tutorial some where on making them.
If I rember correctly in involved using a drill to turn brass blanks and shape the vervells using a file.
windrose has them
Talbot has them on his web side but they might be a special order.

billy and charlie should make them.

another option would be to track down some sam brown buttons and use those.
linda should have them but they are not listed on the web page.
http://www.steffanleather.com/

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:59 am

Thanks for all the good links.
My but some of those helms are first class all the way.
This is going to be a tough act to follow.

Ahaaaa these yes?

Hal

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:22 am

Here's my AB Hammer version;

Here you go Hal, I uploaded some to the AA for you.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:42 am

Darn DeCalmont, my net nanny at work won't let me see your pic.
Thanks I will have a look at home tonight.

McMaster-Carr:

A little more pricey than the fine sources you guys gave me.
Also it's a little on the large side and we don't need grade 8 steel do we?

Hal

Mad Matt · Post by **Mad Matt** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:53 am

You can see mine in the head section of my site. This one hasn't made it there yet.

DeCalmont that is one sweet looking helmet.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:08 am

Thanks for posting the pics DeCalmont, very nice helm.

Mat that is the same hinge that I got, nice castings yes?
No way I could make one for what Revival sells them for.
Thanks for the helm pic, looks like you are getting this helm making down pat. :wink:

Hal

Giles de Bois Guilbert · Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:43 pm

Here is my hat - still in progress

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:23 pm

Giles you are going to have the sexiest hat ever...

Randy W · Post by **Randy W** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:51 pm

no lie ... what did that visor end up running?

Wulfgar · Post by **Wulfgar** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:03 pm

Here is mine by steel mastery. Only has a butted aventail at the moment but hopefully I can fix that soon. Sorry for the poor quality of the Pic I had to take it on my phone.

Giles de Bois Guilbert · Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:04 pm

Thanks Hal,

Have you considered doing the riveted bascinet that is seen in "1381 The Peel Affinity" on page 126. Looks cool and is infinitely suitable for a helm kit

Randy, I got the Friend discount so price wasn't to bad. Figure $150.00 to $200.00 w/o the discount because of the complexity. I did all of my own artwork and I intend to carve the hell out of it to give it an organic 3D look. So time will be my biggest investment.

Planning on using the Horton brasses for vervelles. Can't beat the price though I did consider making my own "barrel" type vervelles but laziness won out over industry in that case.

Merry Jul

Randy W · Post by **Randy W** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:16 pm

even without the discount, that is a phenomenally beautiful visor at a pretty reasonable price

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:18 pm

Out of curiosity Hal, why are you looking for SCAdian bascinets rather then looking at extant bascinets? I mean a lot of the helms posted here are VERY GOOD, but if you want to paint like Picaso you don't start asking for Jaxson Polluk pictures.

Sean

Iain (Bunny) Ruadh · Post by **Iain (Bunny) Ruadh** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:25 pm

Here are some of the pics of mine with the hinge & visor Patrick Thaden fitted for it ...

other pics are here under the 'iain/Thadenklapp...' section.

Original vervelles were from Master Talbot's ... bought enough for the initial 17 and a batch of replacements (historical sized ones died out during the course of the SCA melee season and weren't very hard to replace. He stopped carrying so I switched over to the beefier Mandrake style.

Giles de Bois Guilbert · Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:24 pm

Sean Powell wrote:Out of curiosity Hal, why are you looking for SCAdian bascinets rather then looking at extant bascinets? I mean a lot of the helms posted here are VERY GOOD, but if you want to paint like Picaso you don't start asking for Jaxson Polluk pictures.

Sean

Maybe we should take this to another topic but I think I want to argue with you about your basic assumption and I would like to hear what you have to say as well as everyone else's take on the matter.

As I've developed my skill and art as an armourer (hobbyist that I am, it is still an outlet for my creativity) it's easy to idolize what we wish to recreate or that which inspires us to create but I have found that as my "eye" begins to develop and that as I gain reference books such as the ones offered by Paggiorino that shows extant pieces in bold detail I've started to learn that there are many period examples that exhibit less than stellar workmanship in varying degrees.

I ask you, What about the Ugo's and the Mac's of our age? Are they any less than Picasso? or would you relegate them to Polluck status because they weren't pounding steel in period.

My good friend and teacher Ugo once told me (I'm paraphrasing here) that the modern armourer doesn't have the luxury to specialize in just one type of armour. That they are required to devote their energy to multiple styles depending on the customers requirements. One day you may be working on a ornate Maximillian and the next an Almain Rivet or Mongolian lamellar.

Happy Christmas.

Giles

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:59 pm

Giles de Bois Guilbert wrote:Maybe we should take this to another topic but I think I want to argue with you about your basic assumption and I would like to hear what you have to say as well as everyone else's take on the matter.

Happy Christmas.

Giles

I love a good argument. Hopefully the holidays dosn't keep us away from the computer too much.

Sean

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