Godendag!

Leopold der Wolf · Post by **Leopold der Wolf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlIcT9Ps8w

David S · Post by **David S** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:00 am

The name is seriously the best part about this weapon. Even better than the spikey part.

audax · Post by **audax** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:52 am

The hell the Flemish town militias were untrained. They may have been peasants and shopkeepers, but they were well trained and drilled.

The Flemings used terrain to their advantage and the French, as usual, used arrogance to their disadvantage.

Tiberius Nautius · Post by **Tiberius Nautius** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:41 am

I miss Conquest. It was a good show.

mordreth · Post by **mordreth** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:29 am

Daimyo Akira likes to point out that the Okinowan peasant weapons were superior to Samurai arms and armor

on any occasion when ten to fifteen Okinowans were attacking each samurai

I would hate like hell to have to block with that monstrosity they were showing

Steve Hick · Post by **Steve Hick** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:38 pm

audax wrote:The hell the Flemish town militias were untrained. They may have been peasants and shopkeepers, but they were well trained and drilled.

The Flemings used terrain to their advantage and the French, as usual, used arrogance to their disadvantage.

Funny about this, we have in hand, right now, better evidence for the training of various kinds of militia and town guards, and evidence for fencing societies from Belgium than anywhere else. Some of the latter still exist, although addressing modern weapons. Matt Galas of Mons, Belgium has been researching this.

Steve

Boskaljon · Post by **Boskaljon** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:30 am

Proberbly completely wrong what they say abouth the name.

Goden proberbly comes from something like groot wich means, great, big or from goed, wich means good. And dag from the word now known as dagger.

Wich means, big dagger.

The dutch wikepedia about the weapon tells that the flamish called it a 'gepinde staf' (pinned staff).

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:55 pm

Hi Bart,

That's indeed the meaning of the seperate words, however it's also quite likely that it also was a pun back then.

This is a more likely reconstruction of a 'Goedendag' or 'Gepinde Stave', unlike the unspeakable horror from the clip:

Actual find:

And some more graphical sources:
http://www.warfare.it/storie/goedendac.html

And for some more fun for the non dutch speaking folks around here: most people from the actual places where the term 'goedendag' is used on a daily basis (albeit in a less martial context) think the weapon 'Goedendag' implies a flail.

At every weapons demo we do, thereÂ´s always a smartypants heckler who's only hobby is probably playing online roleplaying games all day and who blurts the names of the weapons before *we* get to it. When that happens, I just bide my time until the subject 'de Goedendag' comes up... Most of the time they get it wrong! Lovely..

Johann Lederer · Post by **Johann Lederer** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:41 am

Tiberius Nautius wrote:I miss Conquest. It was a good show.

If you have access to History International, it is still on occasionally, VERY late night.

I would love to own the series on DVD.

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:27 am

Tiberius Nautius wrote:I miss Conquest. It was a good show.

I dunno; some shows were really good, but in others, Peter Woodward was responsible for spreading disinformation. Bet it was a lot of fun to work on the show, though.

I've got a 5-foot piece of rattan that would make a dandy godendag.