Bless you Karl.
Now if we can just get a good pattern for a sturmburgeonet.
I am sure may be using those patterns of yours as soon as my metalsmith buddy gets back from Iraq or I get better at metalworking.
Reguards,
WvK
Respectfully,
Gerhard von Ravensberg
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Kerry Pratt - I have relayed your greetings to Their Highnesses; maybe they will join us here on AA.
I appreciate your offer but I think that we need to here back from a moderator about the actual posting before we put more effort into this. I PMed JT a while back and have not heard anything yet. I also noticed that there doesn't seem to be much new posted to the Pattern Archive.
WvK - Mattmaus might have some sort of pattern for a Sturmbugonet if anyone here does. They are not easy to find. Ideally, this would be an open archive for anyone else to post related patterns. I am not all together happy with the breastplate pattern that I have yet and I am working on another leading shoulder pauldron for spear that might be nice to post later. A gorget or bishops mantel-gorget would be nice too. It would be nice to see more Landsknechten on the field.
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WvK wrote:Bless you Karl. Now if we can just get a good pattern for a sturmburgeonet. I am sure may be using those patterns of yours as soon as my metalsmith buddy gets back from Iraq or I get better at metalworking.
One of our fighters here in Oertha is making a burgonet from these folks' kit. I have an "adequate" helm for now but would like to find one like the one in the Triumph of Maximillian, cheap.
Since I cannot seem to get JT's attention by PMs has anyone else here had success contacting a moderator?
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blackwolf wrote:ok Karl im guessing that is something close to a pauldron or spaulder am i correct with more info and pics i could make that
My guess is that the measurements might be in centimeters and the long one on the left is the jack front which extends down to cover the thigh like tassets and the smaller pattern to the right is half of the back. The slashed sections are rolled, stuffed, and stitched down underneath. Sort of like a heavy leather tuxedo coat with the tails in the front.
The slashed, stuffed, and tacked down sections in the front and shoulders would act as significant armour. It would be a good idea to make a paper mock-up to be sure. This might be a picture of a Landsknecht wearing it from the back:
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WvK - I think that I would call it garment tanned (heavy) rather than garment weight leather. I picture something like 8oz elk, bison, or other strong, soft, stretchy leather.
Although just another tertiary source, Landskencht Soldier 1486-1560 describes it as: "Strong leather doublets with tasset-like projections were often worn by Landsknechts and could provide good protection against sword cuts."
I traded Russ some 1/4" thick soft buff coat leather that would have been a good example for this. In SCA terms it should make good armour for a spearman, archer, or halberdier in wars. You would need a good kidney belt under it.
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The center fellow has a curious big leather outer sleeve for armour and a slightly different "flowing" and fluted tassets pattern.
"monkey butt" on the left clearly shows a strap holding his tassets down and both clearly show rivets. I went to great length to flush mount and hide my rivets (the art that I had then never showed them) and fit my tassets so that I did not need straps around the thighs - which this shows are appropriate.
The Landsknecht second from the right in the top picture is clearly wearing a lobster tailed sallet in 1510. Another helm option.
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Step 1) the templates are on their way to Kerry Pratt who hopefully will not have any problems with my artwork and notes.
DeCalmont is working on being able to post them to the AA Pattern Archive. BTW - thank you for your offer of a poleaxe at GW (which I couldn't make at the last bit).
Redweeds.com has also offered to post them.
I understand that the waiting list is long but you all might want to take a look at these burgonets and morions: http://www.illusionarmoring.com/ I have an Illusion helm and it is a really good helm especially for the price.
Karl http://earngyld.org/
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Actually the patterns are in a press to flatten them out from the shipping container. My wife, who knows about these things, says a minimum of 48 hours. Which means I will look at them tomorrow to see if they have lost all their curl. If they have I will start scanning tomorrow if all things work out right. Should have them done before this weekend since I will be busy with Med Fair Saturday and out of town all of next week.
Kerry Pratt - just a thought, since I still haven't heard back from JT about posting to the Pattern Archive, are you able and willing to send out the templates in an e-mail form to folks from here who PM you?
Karl http://earngyld.org/
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No. I don't need anything extra just less time than I thought I had for computer work lately. I don't picture getting this done before I leave at oh dark-thirty in the morning and I will be away from the computer for a week at least. My apologies but real life is getting fairly hectic. I have several pieces scanned in but everything else from here on has to be scanned in sections and then stitched together in software. Not hard but it requires some time to get it right. After I have everything scanned in I will convert the whole mess to a PDF and send it to anyone who wants it.
Just as an update. I made it back in between blizzards from the great northwest and I am almost finished scanning. Should have them done in the next day or so.
Excellent!
I for one cannot wait to see these.
I am a jouster and I want to do one of the jousting harnesses from Triumph of M so I am keen to look at anyones patterns from this period.
Dragon_Argent wrote:Excellent! I for one cannot wait to see these. I am a jouster and I want to do one of the jousting harnesses from Triumph of M so I am keen to look at anyone's patterns from this period.
Please don't get your hopes up too much; these are just basic starting patterns for the Landskenchts marching a few panels away in the Triumph of max. have you checked out Illusion for that sort of jousting armour?
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OK, that would figure. I have been working out the pattern for those full pauldrons..... The elbows, and fauld are similar. The tassets would be very easy to freehand and swap out since my pattern is just buckled on too. You'll need a good solid well rounded breastplate like in the video though.
I am a little surprised that he is wearing what looks like a chainmail camail. Seems practical and comfortable but rare on 16th century knights.
Karl http://earngyld.org/
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I think I suggested it before but adding a forum category for patterns could work really well. The pattern archive hasn't been updated in years. A forum with some posting rules to keep things tidy where people can post patterns would take the need for editors to put stuff up. It would also allow people to ask questions about the patterns that get posted and have the questions and answers stay with the patterns.
Posting rules could be only post if you're posting a pattern. Only reply to a pattern post with questions regarding that pattern and only in the thread the pattern is posted in. Don't post patterns that aren't yours. Put a clear title to your thread stating what the pattern's for.
Wouldn't need to be moderated. If someone makes a post that doesn't fit the rules other then posting someone elces proprietary materials it's not the end of the world.
Karl Helweg wrote:I am a little surprised that he is wearing what looks like a chainmail camail. Seems practical and comfortable but rare on 16th century knights.
I will probably replace the mail camail and armet with a contemporary close helm in the same style for safety reasons.
You are right about the strong globose breastplate.
I guess this style very much falls in to what Oakshot calls Schott-Sonnenberg style of armour. Like the King Wladislas armour in the Wallace.
have you checked out Illusion for that sort of jousting armour?
