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All,
This is the article that I mentioned I was going to work on here.
Feel free to point out any inaccuracies I have, or improvements I can make.
-Jestyr
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Looking Good on the SCA Field
aka A Stick Jock's Guide to Fashion
by Kenric FitzAlan
One of the many allures of the SCA is fighting. However, a problem many see is the apparent lack of concern that some of our fellow fighters have in their on-field appearance. They have ugly armour, oftentimes made of non-period looking materials, and in general, ruin the medieval vibe that could be happening.
A big excuse that is oftentimes used is lack of money. Another major excuse is that good looking armour doesn't fight well.
Bull crap.
I am not suggesting that your armour needs to look better. I am not suggesting you need to spend a lot of money. I am not suggesting you give up plastic or sports gear. I AM suggesting that you CAN look good with a little bit of effort. Even if you are wearing pickle barrel armour.
This article is intended to give a lot ideas and options to fighters who don't look great out on the tourney field. If you already wear a full suit of a perfect replica of some muckety muck from the 15th century, you don't need my help. You already look good. If you are wearing some combination of plastic, badly rusted spaulders and hockey equipment, and all you do to be medieval is wear a tabard, then read on. You are about to get a crash course on Stick Jock Fashion.
This article is not intended to tell you perfect portrayal of a specific period. I encourage you to do some research and make that happen. I am going to be general in my suggestions. I am not going to try and differentiate between the length of a Viking and Norman tunic. I am not going to say whether puffy pants or tight pants are better for a Landsknecht. You may need to do some outside research, but this will hopefully be a good jumping point.
Also, there may be some inaccuracies in my terminology or when certain armour may have appeared. Please don't blast me for this. I am NOT an expert on any of this, and I do no purport myself as one. All I am trying to do is give a good once-over on how someone can look better on the field if they have a lot of non-period or ugly armour.
On to the meat...
Cover Thyself
The single concept behind looking better on the field for those of use with plastic and ugly armour is to cover it.
Covering it is not as simple as gluing some fabric over plastic. Or at least, it doesn't have to be. And in most cases, it probably shouldn't be.
Covering is using period garb to disguise and hide the anachronisms and atrocities of your armour. In fact, for many periods, they didn't wear much armour, or their armour was almost completely covered. So wearing garb over areas where our SCA requirements say we must protect, is actually MORE visually period for certain personas.
Early Normans, Saxons and Vikings:
While there are vast differences in their cultures, on the whole, what they wore on the field is very similar.
Most evidence suggests that they only wore a chainmail shirt (hauberk or haubergeon) and a helm (nasal or spangen). In fact, some evidence (and general logic) suggests that "poorer" people would have worn no real body protection at all. Further, early period personas didn't wear leg armour. Heck, most texts seem to support that they didn't wear arm armour. That means no matter how pretty your leg armour is, it should still be covered! That means you can have really ugly (or modern) armour for your legs as long as you put some pants over it. Totally easy and good looking. It also means that you can wear a tunic over your body harness and arms and you've got a very passable early period persona. If you can wear it as garb, make it a tad bigger and it will likely work over armour. For extra credit, you can wear a chainmail shirt and put a a full aventail on your helm.
So basically, some easy garb later and you look good on the field.
Obviously there are nuances between the cultures in the garb and helms they wore, but the concept is the same. Get some basic garb and cover your armour!
Take a look at this example:
In this photo, a nice tunic and garb go a long way. The armour underneath is mostly plastic and aluminum, but really it could be ANYTHING, because it is all covered. Extra points for winingas (leg wrappings). Period shoes would help, as would a persona appropriate shield (oval or kite), but overall the effect is good.
Another example:
What does his actual armour look like? I don't care! As long as it passes inspection, it is okay by me. By covering his armour with clothing and chainmail, he looks great and is very visually accurate Viking.
Want to strive towards something? Take a look at this kit:
Once again, all armour is hidden, so it *could* be all lightweight sports equipment. Once the chainmail goes on with that stunning helm, he looks great on the field.
Landsknecht:
Don't like the early periods? No problem... go German! The garb is more difficult to make than early periods, but the concept of covering all your armour is the same. The Landshnekts were known for flamboyant and extravagant garb over their armour. So it doesn't matter what you have on underneath, as long as you are appropriately flashy on top.
Here are some drawings from a book:
And here are some examples of SCA fighters:
As you can see, they don't *look* like they are wearing armour, so they can have on anything underneath. To be honest, I have no idea what their actual armour looks like. Hockey pants, lacrosse shoulders, motocross arms or beautiful gothic plate... it is all okay because it is all covered. They look great, and although I don't know much about the Landshnekts, from my understanding they look accurate.
14th Century:
I am not trying to say that all societies and periods of the 14th century are the same. They all have their own nuances and subtle differences. But, for the purposes of this article, I am going to lump them together. Remember, we are trying to give general ideas, NOT do your research (or thinking) for you. The body and arms are easily covered by a jupon. A jupon is a garment worn over armour. Oftentimes they are lightly padded and fitted as in the example below, but many variations exist. Very period, and best of all it hides a lot of sins. It does help if you body harness is well formed (unlike pickle barrel), but feel free to go with plastic for it. You can go with a kidney belt... it doesn't matter since it is getting covered. If you don't want garb over your body, then you can still have a plastic body harness covered in fabric. I read that this is also period. But then you do need to spend some time on the proper shape, and good looking arms. If you can do that, you don't need this article. Make a jupon. They look cool.
Now, legs are a bit more of a problem. Articulated steel legs are appropriate, but you do have a few options. You can have plastic or padded (gamboised) cuisses and soupcan style knees (polyens). If you go with plastic legs, make sure to cover them with fabric. The shape is important to the legs, though, even though they are covered. Make some bright greaves and you've got a 14th century harness that looks good.
Take a look at this example:
His leg armour is visible, but his body harness and arm armour is all hidden under his lovely jupon. For his legs, steel cops are necessary, but his cuisses and greaves could be plastic covered in cloth or leather. Remember that it is all about making an effort.
How about this kit from the early 14th century:
From what the wearer said, the body, arms, cuisses and (much of) the gauntlets are all plastic... and they look great. Certainly the chainmail helps the look, but a gambeson would work as well. If you want better vision and a glancing surface, a bascinet would work instead of the barrel helm. The idea is that you can look good if you want to. If you are on a budget, sweat equity goes a long way.
Take a look at this example:
Obviously the wearer has spent a good amount of money or time on his kit, but his body harness is plastic! Also, see how his cuisses and vambraces are covered -- that means they, too, could be plastic. So while the general idea of this article is to cover with garb, this is a good example of covering well shaped plastic armour with fabric.
Miscellaneous examples:
Other time periods can work with some work and thought.
Take a look at this later period example:
The only thing you see are his helm, his gauntlets and his breastplate. Everything else is sports equipment! So he gives up nothing in the way of performance, and still looks great.
In Conclusion
Hopefully this has given you a few ideas on how you can look better on the field. All it takes is a little effort and some imagination.
I'd like to thank everyone who offered their photos for use in this article.
Yours in Service,
Kenric FitzAlan
This is the article that I mentioned I was going to work on here.
Feel free to point out any inaccuracies I have, or improvements I can make.
-Jestyr
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Looking Good on the SCA Field
aka A Stick Jock's Guide to Fashion
by Kenric FitzAlan
One of the many allures of the SCA is fighting. However, a problem many see is the apparent lack of concern that some of our fellow fighters have in their on-field appearance. They have ugly armour, oftentimes made of non-period looking materials, and in general, ruin the medieval vibe that could be happening.
A big excuse that is oftentimes used is lack of money. Another major excuse is that good looking armour doesn't fight well.
Bull crap.
I am not suggesting that your armour needs to look better. I am not suggesting you need to spend a lot of money. I am not suggesting you give up plastic or sports gear. I AM suggesting that you CAN look good with a little bit of effort. Even if you are wearing pickle barrel armour.
This article is intended to give a lot ideas and options to fighters who don't look great out on the tourney field. If you already wear a full suit of a perfect replica of some muckety muck from the 15th century, you don't need my help. You already look good. If you are wearing some combination of plastic, badly rusted spaulders and hockey equipment, and all you do to be medieval is wear a tabard, then read on. You are about to get a crash course on Stick Jock Fashion.
This article is not intended to tell you perfect portrayal of a specific period. I encourage you to do some research and make that happen. I am going to be general in my suggestions. I am not going to try and differentiate between the length of a Viking and Norman tunic. I am not going to say whether puffy pants or tight pants are better for a Landsknecht. You may need to do some outside research, but this will hopefully be a good jumping point.
Also, there may be some inaccuracies in my terminology or when certain armour may have appeared. Please don't blast me for this. I am NOT an expert on any of this, and I do no purport myself as one. All I am trying to do is give a good once-over on how someone can look better on the field if they have a lot of non-period or ugly armour.
On to the meat...
Cover Thyself
The single concept behind looking better on the field for those of use with plastic and ugly armour is to cover it.
Covering it is not as simple as gluing some fabric over plastic. Or at least, it doesn't have to be. And in most cases, it probably shouldn't be.
Covering is using period garb to disguise and hide the anachronisms and atrocities of your armour. In fact, for many periods, they didn't wear much armour, or their armour was almost completely covered. So wearing garb over areas where our SCA requirements say we must protect, is actually MORE visually period for certain personas.
Early Normans, Saxons and Vikings:
While there are vast differences in their cultures, on the whole, what they wore on the field is very similar.
Most evidence suggests that they only wore a chainmail shirt (hauberk or haubergeon) and a helm (nasal or spangen). In fact, some evidence (and general logic) suggests that "poorer" people would have worn no real body protection at all. Further, early period personas didn't wear leg armour. Heck, most texts seem to support that they didn't wear arm armour. That means no matter how pretty your leg armour is, it should still be covered! That means you can have really ugly (or modern) armour for your legs as long as you put some pants over it. Totally easy and good looking. It also means that you can wear a tunic over your body harness and arms and you've got a very passable early period persona. If you can wear it as garb, make it a tad bigger and it will likely work over armour. For extra credit, you can wear a chainmail shirt and put a a full aventail on your helm.
So basically, some easy garb later and you look good on the field.
Obviously there are nuances between the cultures in the garb and helms they wore, but the concept is the same. Get some basic garb and cover your armour!
Take a look at this example:
In this photo, a nice tunic and garb go a long way. The armour underneath is mostly plastic and aluminum, but really it could be ANYTHING, because it is all covered. Extra points for winingas (leg wrappings). Period shoes would help, as would a persona appropriate shield (oval or kite), but overall the effect is good.
Another example:
What does his actual armour look like? I don't care! As long as it passes inspection, it is okay by me. By covering his armour with clothing and chainmail, he looks great and is very visually accurate Viking.
Want to strive towards something? Take a look at this kit:
Once again, all armour is hidden, so it *could* be all lightweight sports equipment. Once the chainmail goes on with that stunning helm, he looks great on the field.
Landsknecht:
Don't like the early periods? No problem... go German! The garb is more difficult to make than early periods, but the concept of covering all your armour is the same. The Landshnekts were known for flamboyant and extravagant garb over their armour. So it doesn't matter what you have on underneath, as long as you are appropriately flashy on top.
Here are some drawings from a book:
And here are some examples of SCA fighters:
As you can see, they don't *look* like they are wearing armour, so they can have on anything underneath. To be honest, I have no idea what their actual armour looks like. Hockey pants, lacrosse shoulders, motocross arms or beautiful gothic plate... it is all okay because it is all covered. They look great, and although I don't know much about the Landshnekts, from my understanding they look accurate.
14th Century:
I am not trying to say that all societies and periods of the 14th century are the same. They all have their own nuances and subtle differences. But, for the purposes of this article, I am going to lump them together. Remember, we are trying to give general ideas, NOT do your research (or thinking) for you. The body and arms are easily covered by a jupon. A jupon is a garment worn over armour. Oftentimes they are lightly padded and fitted as in the example below, but many variations exist. Very period, and best of all it hides a lot of sins. It does help if you body harness is well formed (unlike pickle barrel), but feel free to go with plastic for it. You can go with a kidney belt... it doesn't matter since it is getting covered. If you don't want garb over your body, then you can still have a plastic body harness covered in fabric. I read that this is also period. But then you do need to spend some time on the proper shape, and good looking arms. If you can do that, you don't need this article. Make a jupon. They look cool.
Now, legs are a bit more of a problem. Articulated steel legs are appropriate, but you do have a few options. You can have plastic or padded (gamboised) cuisses and soupcan style knees (polyens). If you go with plastic legs, make sure to cover them with fabric. The shape is important to the legs, though, even though they are covered. Make some bright greaves and you've got a 14th century harness that looks good.
Take a look at this example:
His leg armour is visible, but his body harness and arm armour is all hidden under his lovely jupon. For his legs, steel cops are necessary, but his cuisses and greaves could be plastic covered in cloth or leather. Remember that it is all about making an effort.
How about this kit from the early 14th century:
From what the wearer said, the body, arms, cuisses and (much of) the gauntlets are all plastic... and they look great. Certainly the chainmail helps the look, but a gambeson would work as well. If you want better vision and a glancing surface, a bascinet would work instead of the barrel helm. The idea is that you can look good if you want to. If you are on a budget, sweat equity goes a long way.
Take a look at this example:
Obviously the wearer has spent a good amount of money or time on his kit, but his body harness is plastic! Also, see how his cuisses and vambraces are covered -- that means they, too, could be plastic. So while the general idea of this article is to cover with garb, this is a good example of covering well shaped plastic armour with fabric.
Miscellaneous examples:
Other time periods can work with some work and thought.
Take a look at this later period example:
The only thing you see are his helm, his gauntlets and his breastplate. Everything else is sports equipment! So he gives up nothing in the way of performance, and still looks great.
In Conclusion
Hopefully this has given you a few ideas on how you can look better on the field. All it takes is a little effort and some imagination.
I'd like to thank everyone who offered their photos for use in this article.
Yours in Service,
Kenric FitzAlan
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You had me at bull crap!A big excuse that is oftentimes used is lack of money. Another major excuse is that good looking armour doesn't fight well.
Bull crap.
But seriously, I like it and I hope you can get that published in some SCA-facing print venue so that folks well beyond the viewers here also get to see it.
A technical note -- a jupon isn't necessarily tight-fitting. It seems to be a general term for something textile worn over armour, but AFAIK, it can be a snug, sleeveless, side-lacing sort of thing a la the Romance of Alexander (illuminated in 1340s -- Bodleian 264) all the way up to a voluminous long-sleeved garment closer to what your model in the 14thc section is wearing.
Isn't Sir Gaston's rig earlier or mid-14thc? It doesn't look 13thc to me. There have to be some awesome late Crusader kits out there to add to your visual enticement.
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I made a minor change to the article on the jupon.Tasha McG wrote:
A technical note -- a jupon isn't necessarily tight-fitting. It seems to be a general term for something textile worn over armour, but AFAIK, it can be a snug, sleeveless, side-lacing sort of thing a la the Romance of Alexander (illuminated in 1340s -- Bodleian 264) all the way up to a voluminous long-sleeved garment closer to what your model in the 14thc section is wearing.
Isn't Sir Gaston's rig earlier or mid-14thc? It doesn't look 13thc to me. There have to be some awesome late Crusader kits out there to add to your visual enticement.
I, too, had originally thought Sir Gaston's kit was early 14th century, but his photo was NAMED "13thgaston.jpg" and I assumed this meant 13th century.
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yes that is early 14th C. (I'm not sure why it's named 13th.jpg)also the greaves are leather with steel splints, and only the body and main plates on the gauntlets are plastic.
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Thanks, but it is not that difficult to do if you know what to look for. I have been toying with the idea of writing a book on the subject.Jestyr wrote:I fixed this. Thanks.Chris Gilman wrote:yes that is early 14th C. (I'm not sure why it's named 13th.jpg)also the greaves are leather with steel splints, and only the body and main plates on the gauntlets are plastic.
(Your stuff is really amazing, btw.)
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please do!Chris Gilman wrote:Thanks, but it is not that difficult to do if you know what to look for. I have been toying with the idea of writing a book on the subject.Jestyr wrote:I fixed this. Thanks.Chris Gilman wrote:yes that is early 14th C. (I'm not sure why it's named 13th.jpg)also the greaves are leather with steel splints, and only the body and main plates on the gauntlets are plastic.
(Your stuff is really amazing, btw.)
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Glad you liked it. I hadn't really thought of seeing "the under" since it can really be anything. Heck, my armour is relatively ugly, so people are often shocked when they see me at an event after seeing me at fighter practice.
I'll ask a few of the models if they'll let us see behind the curtains of the great Oz.
Btw, I saw your progress on the other thread. Outstanding work!
I'll ask a few of the models if they'll let us see behind the curtains of the great Oz.
Btw, I saw your progress on the other thread. Outstanding work!
But I think that is the point, is to show that you can make a basic kit look killer and having these images give people an idea of what they can do with what they have already.
Thanks! It has been a great project.
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Thanks! It has been a great project.
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I think this article is great, but would make one suggestion: Add a section at the bottom that identifies the individuals in the photos, and then ask them "did you make it or did you buy it" -- and if they bought it, make note of where it was purchased. If they made it, ask them if they'd be willing to write up secondary, follow up articles to this one, that details HOW did they make it?
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Hey Jestyr,
Can you swap the pic of me you have up there with this one?
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/402 ... e30163.jpg">
Cheers!
PS - Love this thread. I'm going to put it on the "Inspire New Guys" Thread.
Can you swap the pic of me you have up there with this one?
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/402 ... e30163.jpg">
Cheers!
PS - Love this thread. I'm going to put it on the "Inspire New Guys" Thread.
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MJB: Nobody really sent me any 15th century stuff!
Zub: I think you vastly over inflate people's willingness to write! It would be a wonderful addition, but I doubt I could get much success.
JvR: When I finish my new shield, I may take another photo of me. Until then, this'll do.
Baron A: Sure.
Balin: Someone had given me permission to use the photos... I think it was the photographer's son, but he didn't know all the people involved. If you know names for everyone, I can give full credits to all who are pictured.
Zub: I think you vastly over inflate people's willingness to write! It would be a wonderful addition, but I doubt I could get much success.
JvR: When I finish my new shield, I may take another photo of me. Until then, this'll do.
Baron A: Sure.
Balin: Someone had given me permission to use the photos... I think it was the photographer's son, but he didn't know all the people involved. If you know names for everyone, I can give full credits to all who are pictured.
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You know, I think you underestimate our willingness to talk about armour. I bet if you tracked each of these folks down, and had some good questions to ask, they'd answer. One of the benefits of something like this is that we can take it and expand on it as we have time.Jestyr wrote:Zub: I think you vastly over inflate people's willingness to write! It would be a wonderful addition, but I doubt I could get much success.
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Baron Alejandro wrote: You know, I think you underestimate our willingness to talk about armour. I bet if you tracked each of these folks down, and had some good questions to ask, they'd answer. One of the benefits of something like this is that we can take it and expand on it as we have time.
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A newbie project
I've been really just trying to put together a solid rig that will let me focus on the fight. had a freeway sign lorica and some blue barrel plastic sooo I started playing.
Please critique as I'd love the input. In the past I've played 1520's landsknecht (wish I could afford THAT rig!) and highland scot cir. 1570s. Both of moderate means. The armor I've come by through trade and hand-me-downs. So now I'm trying to step it up so when I start hitting the practices I won't look or feel the dork.
Please critique as I'd love the input. In the past I've played 1520's landsknecht (wish I could afford THAT rig!) and highland scot cir. 1570s. Both of moderate means. The armor I've come by through trade and hand-me-downs. So now I'm trying to step it up so when I start hitting the practices I won't look or feel the dork.
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Okay, BA, what type of fabric are you using for the slops and shirt? Whenever I've done this, the soft bits last only a couple of events before being shredded.Baron Alejandro wrote:You know, I think you underestimate our willingness to talk about armour. I bet if you tracked each of these folks down, and had some good questions to ask, they'd answer. One of the benefits of something like this is that we can take it and expand on it as we have time.
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<Okay, BA, what type of fabric are you using for the slops and shirt? Whenever I've done this, the soft bits last only a couple of events before being shredded.>
I can't speak for him, but all of my stuff now (heavy and rapier) is linen. It holds up pretty well, but you have to get one with a tight weave on the fabric.
I can't speak for him, but all of my stuff now (heavy and rapier) is linen. It holds up pretty well, but you have to get one with a tight weave on the fabric.
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What SimonJim said. I use pure linen, finish all my seams carefully, wash it in cold and lay it out/hang dry it. I haven't had to replace any of the soft kit <i>yet</i>. Plus, if you're at pennsic, just lay it out on the grass, in the sun while it's still wet from your sweat. While you won't be a as fresh as a new daisy the next day, you'll be much less rank than you otherwise might have been.
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FWIW, late 15th century fabric covered maille armour:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/derianlebreton/594212885/
-Derian.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/derianlebreton/594212885/
-Derian.
More or less no longer logging in to the AA. Have a nice life.
Jestyr wrote:MJB: Nobody really sent me any 15th century stuff!
Zub: I think you vastly over inflate people's willingness to write! It would be a wonderful addition, but I doubt I could get much success.
JvR: When I finish my new shield, I may take another photo of me. Until then, this'll do.
Baron A: Sure.
Balin: Someone had given me permission to use the photos... I think it was the photographer's son, but he didn't know all the people involved. If you know names for everyone, I can give full credits to all who are pictured.
It is totally cool The first is one of our Doppels Stephen the second is one of our newer guys Marcus and the 3rd is a newer guy Andrew/Jost?Yost not sure on spelling he just choose his SCA name It is nice to see the guys in plunders and doublets for awhile everyone was in Waffs as they were really easy both to make and to let look sloppy
Balin
We're going to hold on to him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass, We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose.
Patton
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